Most latitude for film transfer...

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seattlegoods

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...minus the noise.

The company I am working for is planning to do a film out with the HVX200 (720 24PN). I'm looking for the most latitude I can get with out having to use Cinegamma D (noise!). I'm working with 3 other camera men on a documentary outside of the U.S. I'm looking for the flattest image possible.

This is what I have so far...

Detail Level: -1
V Detail Level: 0
Detail Corning: 0
Master Ped: +2
Gamma: HD norm
Matrix:cine-like
Knee: mid
Skin Tone Dtl.: off
Shutter speed: 1/48 (syncro 180.0d)

I'm willing to sacrifice a full stop in latitude for the trade of less noise but is that the way to go?

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Thank you.
 
I doubt you are actually gaining any latitude by raising the Ped that much. Capped black with HD Norm only hits 0 IRE at Ped -4. You can raise the Ped if you want a desaturated look but I think you are just compressing the latitude of the shadow area. You won't see anything below the capped black level.

I don't think you are gaining anything. My philosophy has always been to stretch my information out between 0 and 100 thinking that's going to preserve the most information.

Re: Cinegamma's noise. I think that none of these gammas actually alter the noise level which is really just the way the camera sees records. Its just that Cinegamma is generally raising the shadow area so you see it more. Wiuth Cinegamma I put the pedestal @ -5. I think for film out you could lower your blacks late if you want to dump the noise, but you will preserve the most info in Cinegamma D . On the other hand you may lose informatiuoj in the knee area. which is why i just shoot with HD Norm.

But i've never done a film out so this may all be wrong.
 
I'd use Cine-V instead of HD Norm; HD Norm is a video gamma, whereas the cine gammas use a more linear response. It's true that Cine-D is the noisiest, but Cine-V gives up a little latitude in exchange for better noise performance.

But if you're going to filmout, you'll get visibly better performance from 1080/24pA than you will from 720/24pN.
 
Thanks for your input.

After talking to Alpha Cine (the house that transferred Iraq in Fragments) what was the most common mistake done by people who gave them footage shot on the HVX, they told me too much contrast and to make the image as flat as possible.

So that's the only problem I have with Cine-V...the contrast. I like the way it looks in most conditions. Isn't meant to mimic the way film looks and not meant for transfer? Also I am going near right below the equator with harsh sun creating dark shadows.

As far as settings go I didn't want to do too much in camera but just lean towards the settings I wanted to reach in the end. It feels so wrong since I'm used to doing as much as I can in camera besides crushing my blacks to hell.

Also looking into a Tiffen ultra contrast filter. Your thoughts?

I should be leaving Monday or Tuesday!

Thanks for your help.
 
I would turn the marker on and put the lenshood on. then turn the masterped down until the marker shows 0. then you don´t crush any blacks you simply record black as black. I would shoot with the cine D because of the lattitude.
 
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