just in case you didn't know.

Sad Max said:
Oh, yeah. And there's a lot I like, about Troopers. It's just that the source material deserved much better treatment.
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Well, it;s always an issue for me... I was very disappointed, having read the book in my youth, when I first saw the movie. But re-reading the book as an adult, I also found new perspectives on Heinlein's "50's style" patriotism, civics lessons, and condoning of wanton violence in the name of one's country ("Kill bugs sir!").... so I sort of appreciated the movie more as a sort of cynical take on some of RAH's extremisms. Still didn't love the movie, but I appreciated it more as a "modern" commentary on the 50's novel.

There's a lot of tradition of people writing novels (often really good ones!) as criticisms of Heinlein's work - Haldeman's "Forever War" and Panshin's "Rite of Passage" come first to mind - and this can be seen in that tradition... though not quite of top-caliber.
 
I don't see "Forever War" as a commentary on Heinlein...although for all I know, Joe Haldeman might.

"Forever War" is one of my favorite science-fiction novels, and probably the best military science-fiction story I have ever read (big fan of his other work, too...)

There's been talk off-and-on forever, about a "Forever War" adaptation. I think I'd rather not even see it attempted.
 
In various interviews Haldeman made it clear it was a pretty direct response... sort of a Vietnam vet's take on Heinlein's approach to the military. I guess not really criticism - he was a fan and friend of heinlein and liked Troopers - but kind of a variation on Heinlein's story showing another side.

But yes, Forever War is a great one, and I'd love to see it adapted if I wasn't so leery of adaptations. A lot of Haldeman books are among my favorites... though I find the recent ones have been a bit lacking...
 
I'm probably behind on my Haldeman reading. "Dealing in Futures" is the last collection of his, that I read.
 
There was a lot I liked about the first movie, most notably Dina Meyer in the afore mentioned shower scene. I took an instant liking to her, which I think turned into a full blown crush when she played Batgirl in Birds of Prey. The second movie was not nearly as good as the animated series, and I don't even think bringing Dina back for another shower scene would have helped it much.
 
If only everyone hadn't had to strip, while shooting the shower scene.

Sure, I want the talent to be comfortable. But I'm not happy about going *that* far, to achieve it...
 
I really enjoyed the first one. I think I saw it three times when it first came out. It's a silly film, but I still liked it. Nothing like the book (which I loved), but I just let it go. The animated series was a lot better. Although I thought the power armor designs were lame.

I even like the second one. The second film did have the "direct-to-dvd sequel" feel. Even in the commentary they were kind making excuses for it, but it had its moments. Character-wise I thought it was definitely the stronger film. And some of the bug effects were the best kind of nasty.

So I'll probably check this out.
 
Sad Max said:
You should have seen John Bell's power-armor designs, for the first feature.

Cut for (as is usual) budgetary reasons.

Some of the sketches might be in the 'making of' book; I forget.
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I heard they had designs for the film, but I've never been able to find them. Might have to track down the making of book and check it out.
 
TimurCivan said:
...or maybe it fell into Casper Van Dien's Cleft chin???
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Is it possible that Casper Van Dien fell into his own cleft chin? Or maybe just his career did, because I haven't really noticed him in much of anything lately.

Carpe Dien...
 
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