people who have used fcp and premiere

deronbauman

deronbauman

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I finished editing a documentary a few weeks ago using fcp and enjoyed the process. In my photographic work, I rely mostly on adobe products. I'm wondering if anyone here has used both fcp and premiere and has an opinion about how the products compare and contrast. I really like the color tools in adobe's other products and would like the next film to emphasize color.

This may be too vague, but again, I'm interested in overall impressions between the two programs.
 
Having the chance to use both Premiere Pro and FCP somewhat extensively I find little to no differences between the two. I believe that both have their strong points and week points.

FCP has a much wider range of formats that it supports, making it a better choice for higher end high definition work.

Premiere has the adobe "feel" and easier to use effects interface (resembles AE).

Those are the two major things when I think of comparing these two programs. But in the end, Premiere and FCP are so similar it just comes down to personal choice.
 
Simply said:
Adobe Photoshop: the most advanced still picture software editing
Apple Final Cut Pro: the most advanced motion picture software editing.

Don't focus on only one brand. Each brand has strongerand weaker products.


I hate Premiere, but i love Photoshop.
I love FCP but i hate..... Ugh! the only thing i hate from Apple is a bad defaults choice. You have to review all the preferences of all the software, because almost none is set to it's most logical default.








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good points. much appreciated. the only reason I would consider premiere, I think, is if the color control is as sophisticated as photoshop. I assume that's not the case.
 
someday said:
Simply said:

Apple Final Cut Pro: the most advanced motion picture software editing.
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Hmm, I would seriously disagree with this statement. Maybe you're forgetting such industry standard NLE such as Avid?

A question about which NLE is better (suited) cannot be answered by a "simply said" because the issue isn't simple. I use Premiere and I love it. I had a chance to use FCP last year and I hated it. Does that mean that FCP is a bad software?

To the OP. If you're looking to do advanced color correction than you should think about investing in After Effects. Premiere and FCP has basically similar CC suite to do relatively simple edit (tinting, levels controls). But they're not made to do serious color work. Most people who say that they want to do massive color correction usually ends up working with a few basic filters that are available in both programs, and this is not a good basis for picking between one and the other.
 
I was taught editing on FCP but prefer/use P.Pro. As for interface they are really similar. I'd say they have the most similarity of any nle's. Very interchangeable.

Only 3 things I really dislike about P.Pro. (1.5 mind you)

1. rendering to view in realtime
2. doesn't support as many formats as other NLE's
3. Color correction controls

I got Synthetic Aperture's Color Finesse though, and that by far makes up for any weakness in color correction. I cannot overstate how great this plugin is. It is the best.

Hope this helps a little.
 
For the record, PP2.0 and up has much improved color correction tools including a very handy Fast Color Corrector which incorporates a color wheel, saturation and level controls. I use it 95% of the time.
 
okay, this is great. I hadn't thought about after effects. that's probably the answer to my question. I can edit in fcp (as I have been) and add AE to my post production process. good deal.
 
depend on what kinna work you do....there is few thing that you just can't accomplish in final cut studio without photoshop and after effect....you can buy photoshop and after effect separately but will cost you more than buy adobe creative suite 3 and take advantage of the workflow intergrate.....good luck
 
I now have a HYBRID Suite consisting of Adobe CS3 and Apple Final Cut Studio 2 - running on a MacPro. ( I also have a Windows suite running Adobe Studio)

From my POV and type of work I do (TV commercial production mostl):

FCP is very weak in the Titling area compared to Premiere and treats titles as FX not assetts. FCP can be a bit fiddly in many areas in comparison.

Premiere is very weak in handling of HD and mxf files and FCP is superb in this area.

Both applications have many compelling advantages:

Adobe Premiere has superb integration with AEFX and is my preffered NLE as an interface to me as an editor. Features such as Project bin playing of clips, Drag /slide numerical adjustment to T/code and number fields.

FCP has great integration to 'Color' ( absolutely the best CC and Grading app and I have tried most of them) and 'Motion'.

The thread that holds a lot of this together is of course PhotoShop.

In my Hybrid Suite ... they all work very nicely together and provide awesome functionality and control of any aspect of post production that I need to do in house. (Off line and Online)

@ O.P: I recommend you take a look at FCP 'Color' if you want serious color control of your next project. (Beware - steep learning curve)
 
I am going to repeat some of the already good points in my opinion:

-The two NLEs are probably the most similiar of any two NLEs.

-The NLE for you depends on what type of work you are doing and what gets it done the fastest becasue lets face anything you want to do you can do on any NLE. (Final Cut supportds more formats but premiere has better integration with AE)

-Personally I find Final Cut a little slower to use right off the bat, but either NLE can be learned to the point where things are second nature to the editor
 
I would argue that the integration between FCP and Motion is far better than the integration between PPro and AE. Though AE is vastly superior to Motion.

Another point: for long form projects FCP wins hands down. When I was editing weddings in PPro, I had project file sizes of up to 70 mb! I don't know if I've had a FCP project file of more than about 5 mb... Also, PPro took forever to load the big project files. FCP has no trouble.
 
About Color Finesse

About Color Finesse

STYLZ said:
I was taught editing on FCP but prefer/use P.Pro. As for interface they are really similar. I'd say they have the most similarity of any nle's. Very interchangeable.

Only 3 things I really dislike about P.Pro. (1.5 mind you)

1. rendering to view in realtime
2. doesn't support as many formats as other NLE's
3. Color correction controls

I got Synthetic Aperture's Color Finesse though, and that by far makes up for any weakness in color correction. I cannot overstate how great this plugin is. It is the best.

Hope this helps a little.
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Color Finesse wouldn't happen to have a tracker and tools for masking, right?

Thanks,

Paul Del Vecchio
 
DeVi| D0do said:
Another point: for long form projects FCP wins hands down. When I was editing weddings in PPro, I had project file sizes of up to 70 mb! I don't know if I've had a FCP project file of more than about 5 mb... Also, PPro took forever to load the big project files. FCP has no trouble.
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I believe that's because with FCP everything has to be rendered out on the timeline for you to preview it. The preview files are then discarded when you shut down the program. With Premiere it's rendered once (which is why the file size gets so large) and saved. Of course it's only my second time using FCP, but this aspect stuck out as being really annoying.
 
I have a seperate hd on my computer that I boot OSX off of if I want FCP otherwise I either use Pro 2.0, Media Composer or Vegas. My point is that you don't have to invest in a whole seperate computer system if you want to switch NLEs these days just the NLE (and plug-ins)
 
I am/was a premiere user since I started editing and now use final cut. one reason I use FCP now is because of color. Here are some of the likes and dislikes that I have for both.
FCP Likes:
1. I can unlink the entire timelines audio from it video and relink it.
2. I can apply a filter or effect to a source file and not have to apply it to every clip in the timeline
3. You can batch export
4. You can have more than one project open and don't have to close the others


FCP Dislikes:
1. I utterly hate it titling capabilites. I think they are vastly inferior to PremPro
2. It doesn't handle breaks in TC very well when capturing
3. It won't play unrendered items unless you render first. ( PremPro will play it but at a choppy frame rate )
4. Stretching and Shrinking the timeline feels buggy and not as solid as prempro

This by no means is me saying that one is better then the other. They are both so similar that a person shouldn't have any problem with working on either.
 
SilverWolf said:
3. It won't play unrendered items unless you render first. ( PremPro will play it but at a choppy frame rate )
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You just have to change the real time play back setting in FCP. there is a button right above the timeline with some settings you can select. I think it says like "RT" or something. It is on the upper left side of the timeline window. Don't have FCP in front of me, but I do know it plays back unrendered stuff just like premiere does.
 
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