HD CRT monitor options?

[snodart]

First off... a pinch of info:

I will be shooting a 30min short this winter. Below is my camera and monitor plan.
HVX + SG Pro Rev 3.
Marshall 7" lcd at the camera for focus and composition.
15" (+ or -) CRT as a director's monitor and for color correction/grading in post.

I am having a hard time figuring out my best option for the CRT. I would like to avoid using an LCD if possible, as I want the most accurate picture that I can get (color, exposure, etc... not focus)

The panny BT-LH1700W looks nice, but might be questionable for visually checking the color and exposure as notable by this thread.

The 7" Marshall that I have is great for checking focus, but no matter how many times I calibrate it, it is always a little orange.

My point is that it just doesn't seem like LCDs are trustworthy for an accurate representation of what the footage looks like (as far as color, exposure, etc). Since I will be using this monitor as a guide on scene and for color grading in post, it needs to be pretty accurate.

I was looking at the JVC TMH-150CGU, but it looks like I would need the IF-CO1COMG input card for component inputs. Since this monitor has 750 lines of vertical resolution... If I was shooting 720p and connect the HVX to the monitor via component (and the IF-CO1COMG input card), then I should be seeing the footage at full res correct? The only thing that I can think of that would make this incorrect is that fact that the monitor will have to be in 16 X 9 mode which will add black bars on top and bottom and thus use up some of the 750 lines. So granted, at 1080, I would not be getting a full res version of the image (only 750), but since I am not using the monitor to focus is there are problem with this?

If a monitor is rated at say 800 vertical lines of resolution and it has component inputs, then I should be able to get all 800 lines correct? Oh, minus the resolution taken up by the black bars for 16 X 9. I haven't decided if I will be shooting 720 or 1080 yet, but it sure seems that if I can find a monitor with 750 or 800 lines of resolution then I should be okay either way I go (since I won't be checking focus with it).

Ideally, a SMPTE-C CRT would be nice, but I'm guessing that the price (if I can find one) will be very high.

P-22 is not as accurate as an SMPTE-C CRT, but I think I would feel better with P-22 than an LCD.

I know that 15" (+ or -) would be a bit of a pain to lug around, but I'm willing to deal with it.

I'm pretty lost as far as what to do, and if I have my info right. I would love to hear any suggestions or comments so I can get over this hump, buy an damn monitor, and move on down the list!

Thanks :thumbsup:

 

[bouncecard]

Monitor options for HD color grading?

Monitor options for HD color grading?

You plan to use the CRT for shooting and color post?

That's interesting because I'm looking for an affordable monitor to use for color timing/grading with FCP's Color (with HVX 720p footage) but I keep getting different answers as to which route is the most reliable for quality and accuracy in the final grade.

Does anyone know of an affordable HD monitor suitable for color grading?

I've tried a Samsung HDTV but the image is wildly saturated towards red and the gamma is all washed out. It was truly worrisome.

Any suggestions?


-the card

 

[wgzn]

i have an older sony pvm that i use to monitor my dvcprohd FCP timeline via firewire (with a canopus advc110) it doesnt show live playback but DOES display a parked playhead frame which is just fine for color correcting

 

[snodart]

Which sony PVM do you have wgzn?

You plan to use the CRT for shooting and color post?

Yep, a nice 15" should be portable enough to set up in the field and still big enough for color grading in post. I don't have the budget for 2, so....

That's interesting because I'm looking for an affordable monitor to use for color timing/grading with FCP's Color (with HVX 720p footage) but I keep getting different answers as to which route is the most reliable for quality and accuracy in the final grade.

It too keep getting different answers and seeing different info. From what I have read though, a good STMPE-C CRT is considered the "broadcast standard" for an accurate picture.

Sure seems like many of the popular LCD have issues with accurate color. Not a good thing for the field or for post. I like to see an accurate representation of what I'm getting. If it looks good, it looks good right. Granted, this might not always work for those doing TV commercials and such which need to meet a specific criteria. But for the work that I'm doing (film festivals), I'm more concerned with how it looks. Maybe I'm off, who knows.

More input would be a huge help!

:thumbsup:

 

[BarryV]

I just cruised thru the thread that snodart referenced about the "green" Panasonic monitors. The last post was dated in March, has anyone found any new info on the phenomenon? Is it mostly the 1700 that has this problem or is the green issue in the whole BT-LH line? I'm asking because I'm considering the LH80W for on-camera monitors on studio-configured HPX500's. I haven't heard anything bad about those - yet.
Any suggestions for other 17" HD monitors with similar pricing as the LH1700?
Thanks
Barry

 

[NOMADIC]

I would check out the Sony PVM-20L5. I JUST sold mine like 3 days ago. It was a little rich for my blood, but it will do HD, you can probably find one on ebay for about $1600-2000.

 

[snodart]

I would check out the Sony PVM-20L5. I JUST sold mine like 3 days ago. It was a little rich for my blood, but it will do HD, you can probably find one on ebay for about $1600-2000.

Thanks namadic, good info. Did you use it in the field ever. 20" is pretty big to lug around. I suppose with a nice cart and a long cable, it would make a nice big director's monitor though. Out of curiosity, why are you selling it? Thanks again for the info.

EDIT: whoa, I just noticed that the PVM-20L5 is 70lbs. Might be a hair too big for the field.

 

[snodart]

Here is a 14" Sony PVM (14L5) at B & H, discontinued of course... maybe I can find a good used one. Good is the key word there.

The Sony-BVM-14G5U looks nice as well.

 

[NOMADIC]

Yeah that thing was a beast. It would be killer for field, but too nice and too heavy.

I bought it atPromax in Irvine kinda by chance, and picked up 3 other monitors too. They had jsut cleaned out there warehouse and had b-stock. so i bought it and then realized the 20L5 is a really really nice monitor, so I sold it to make a buck.

They discontinued it because the lead content cost Sony too much.

www.usedvideo.org <---thats who I sold it to. They have prices online, but the guy told me he marks them up alot, he'll end up selling what ever it is for less.

I think he might have the 14" model. If you get one, tell him you wont buy till Matt Conrad gets a commission. haha.


I still have a nice 14" Sony monitor for sale, its standard def, but I need to sell it is as I have been jobless for a month now. (thats also a sad plea for gigs. haha)