Can I put footage BACK onto a P2 card after it's been taken off?

doondoon

doondoon

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I'd like to do an in camera down convert from 720pn to mini-dv.
My guess is that the camera does a really good job.
Unfortunately I already off loaded the media. My question is can I put the media back onto an empty P2 card and then do the down convert?

Thanks
michael
 
I think that editing programmes such as Edius can reload P2 media back onto cards. I heard a whisper on a thread somewhere but can't remember where...

Thanks

Richard
 
Yes, you can simply copy the files back onto a P2 card -- that is one benefit of an IT-centric workflow, the assets are just files that can be copied freely back and forth between mass storage devices.

Edius can also output a project to P2 cards, which is a bit different from just copying the original material back, as this includes all editing, effects and transitions applied to the source material.
 
Really you can just copy back to the card?

I've tried that through windows explorer and it always gives me an error message.
 
I go to Raymaker after rendering out the Raylight MXF .avi file. Then I go to P2 Maker to create the CONTENTS and LASTCLIP files.

I specify that I want it on my hard drive..because if I copy directly to the P2 card, it gives me an error message and doesnt let me copy, and no the protection slide is off so you can write to it.

So I render it out to the computer thinking I could just copy and paste the CONTENTS and LASTCLIP files. Well sure enough when I go to find the P2 card on the computer through windows explorer..there's a CONTENTS folder there. I click delete or overwrite, either one, it gives me an error message saying that it wont let me.


.....I have no luck with hardware...


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This is the message I get. It shows the filename then this BS

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Are you doing this with a PCMCIA slot on your laptop or through USB 2 to the camera's P2 slot?

Is this the same card/slot that causes P2 Viewer to crash or reboot your computer when you try to play a clip from the card (as you mentioned in another thread)?
 
thanks

thanks

Hey everyone.
It worked flawlessly.
From PCMCIA/Laptop directly to P2 card.

Now for the downconvert to mini-dv.
Anyone know what the quality might be like in comparison to using let's say a Kona card with a mini dv deck such as a DSR-11?
 
What about coming out of the HVX analog hd out to the DSR-11 mini dv recorder/player.

I guess my question is: Is there a quality difference when down converting in camera?
Anyone? What are the benefits? forgive my ignorance... can't find much in search.

What about going from "S-Video out" on the HVX to a DSR-11.
 
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mvb said:
Are you doing this with a PCMCIA slot on your laptop or through USB 2 to the camera's P2 slot?

Is this the same card/slot that causes P2 Viewer to crash or reboot your computer when you try to play a clip from the card (as you mentioned in another thread)?
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I did this on both PCMCIA and USB 2.0 to the camera.

Yes its the same card that I mentioned in the other thread. I had the problem of copying the files to the hard drive..it would freeze up the computer, but the guy at Panasonic managed to fix the problem somehow.
 
Hi,

I had a similar issue earlier, and I was wondering if you could give some details as to how you were able to solve it.

I wanted to edit something in Vegas and then use Raylight to put it back on the P2 card and then dub to tape from the P2.

I first used Raylight to create a Raylight AVI, I then used P2 maker to convert the Raylight AVI into a virtual card.

It completed with no errors and sure enough there was a virtual card with contents, video, audio, etc all the folders. I even checked in the folders and the MXF files were there.

So then I went to windows explorer to copy the folders onto the P2 card I had inserted into my laptop's PCMCIA slot and....

error.

I've tried everything under the sun and it doesn't seeem to work. Am I missing a step here?

This was a total technical nightmare, as I had just entered a 72 Hour film making contest for Asian American Film Labs.

I had like four hours before the deadline and here I was killing myself trying to get this thing dubbed onto tape (the contest required entries in Mini-DV).

I finally broke down and bought a firewire cable and used Vegas's print out to tape to get it done.

Any insight would be helpful.
 
I just ran through this workflow a few days ago, but I went directly to the P2 cards in the HVX:

PPRO - Export to .avi > Raylight P2 Maker > HVX200 > MiniDv Tape.

Instead of creating a virtual card. Have you tried dumping directly to your HVX?
  • Just to be safe. Format both your P2 cards in camera.
  • Connect your HVX200 directly to the computer using the USB cable.
  • You will need to hold down the CAMERA button down (located right under the scene file dial) for a few seconds for it to go into "PC" mode.
  • Now use Raylight P2 Maker to convert your .avi directly to the P2 card in the HVX.
  • Dub to Tape in camera.
 
DCERVENKA... I did that procedure after the PCMCIA copy didnt work..and I still get the same error message.
 
blckhawk542 said:
DCERVENKA... I did that procedure after the PCMCIA copy didnt work..and I still get the same error message.
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Make sure you really have a USB 2.0 port. I had a customer with the same problem, and swore up and down it was USB 2-- but it wasn't. A USB 2 port will appear in device manager as "Advanced", and USB 1 as "Standard". Don't know if that's your problem but it's worth checking.
 
The difference would be the codec you would be working on. For example, when capturing with a Kona Card from the HVX's component outs, you would get the Kona card to downconvert in realtime to either 8bit Uncompressed, DVCPRo 50, or other superior codec than DV. You could work your original 4:2:2 master in a 4:2:2 environment, more robust to multiple renders and compression artifacts. It will bring you far better results for a DVD, or broadcast. Simply take your Quicktime master to a post facility to output to your professional sd format.

If you have an HD master, I would certainly not recommend working for SD in a DV environment- only if you have lots of original DV footage. If not, just convert your dv clips to the superior codec trough media manager, and cut with your downconverted HD footage.

What I don't know is if there's a big difference between Capturing and downconverting from the Kona/Decklink directly to a top SD codec VS downrezzing trough FCP's Media manager...

I recon that hardware downconversion (Kona/decklink) should be better than software, but maybe I'm wrong...
 
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