Macs are such a ripoff

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if anyone wants to hire me as a mercenary, i'm skilled in hand to hand combat and using a crossbow. being as a have few principles, i'll sell myself to the highest bidder.
 
c.g._eads said:
I know apple has this XEON 2 dual-processor core (paraphrasing) but I've been keeping track of the dual processors since their inception and from what I've read, over and over, unless you're performing very specific tasks under absolutely ideal conditions, processor speeds are pretty much equal with macs and PCs in real world application.
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It works great when your running multiple apps and have the ram to support it.

i.e. Rendering a file in FCP and working in motion. I tried to max out my mac pro when I first got it. Rendered large HDV file in FCP, running a PS CS3 droplet, exporting file from motion. The overall output was pretty impressive.

Any branded PC's will cost you similar to MAC. Build it yourself PC stuff is always going to save you $$. In australia we have PC swapmeets, I used to source most of my components from them and finish with a top end PC for great value. Anything like that in the US?

I switched to mac a little over a year ago - more for personal reasons at the time and less to do with mac vs pc. Now fast forward a year when I am trying to build my own client base and people more and more want to see footage on my editing system - two reasons forced me to get a shiny mac pro. My old mac was a little slow to do some functions when I wanted to demo some options for the client and second reason, the mac pro looks - well pro. and I can't afford to worry about perceptions these days, I just want to fullfil those uprfront. (There are some great looking PC towers if you hunt around).
 
mjjason said:
One major benefit I see with owning a mac is bootcamp. I don't have much experience with the current beta version out but I hear Apple's new OS will have bootcamp already installed. This will allow you to run Windows on a mac.

So in essence for the price of 1 machine you get both operating systems. That means you can run pretty much any software on one machine. I know some people have gotten the Mac OS to run on windows but Apple's bootcamp, from what I read, looks much simpler.

Anyone here have first hand experience with bootcamp? Are there any windows programs that do not run smoothly?
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when is Bootcamp coming out for PC so you can run Mac OS on a pc? Oh wait... that's right.... Mr. Jobbs isn't playing fair here and you need a little proprietary chip to use Mac OS... and therefore you can't compare the two.

it would have been a good argument IF it was an even playing field but seeing as Mac runs a monopoly on their systems - in direct opposition to the American philosophy of a free market and open competition - it's a moot point.

mor10
*hates monopolies*
 
I bought a MacPro in Nov. and haven't looked back. Not only is it fast, I just 4GB of RAM inside for 334 bucks! RAM prices for this thing went down quick IMO. Even so its the best computer ive ever owned. The applecare full parts & warrenty for 3 full years really beat out me getting a PC. I don't think the thing was overpriced at all...I haven't had a single issue with the OS at all, no defragging, no cleanup for temp files, no nothing, just get on, do my work, get off.

Booting to windows is great too, very nice having both.

- Kyle
 
morten said:
when is Bootcamp coming out for PC so you can run Mac OS on a pc? Oh wait... that's right.... Mr. Jobbs isn't playing fair here and you need a little proprietary chip to use Mac OS... and therefore you can't compare the two.

it would have been a good argument IF it was an even playing field but seeing as Mac runs a monopoly on their systems - in direct opposition to the American philosophy of a free market and open competition - it's a moot point.

mor10
*hates monopolies*
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I don't understand what you are saying. From what I understand bootcamp would allow people to run both OS on the same Apple Machine. What does Jobbs have anything to do with it.

I have never used a mac personally but if the new OS along with the official release of bootcamp allows me to run windows and the mac os on the same machine without any performace or software issues than my next machine will be a mac.

I don't really have a preference for either platform. I have been on a windows machine since 3.1 with no issues. For me, whatever gives me the most options and bang for my buck will be where I go and if bootcamp lets me run windows and all windows programs with no issues on a mac than that is the best option. 2 platforms for the cost of 1 machine.
 
c.g._eads said:
What does that mean, it's a "workstation"? If it's the only desktop computer they have, and it's my only option to buy a mac desktop, then it doesn't matter if it's a workstation or a regular computer, right? Unless they have another desktop. I don't know. I admit I didn't do too much research on that.

I can get a 2ghz or higher PC desktop with 2 gigs of ram and a terabyte harddrive for $1500 easy.

I know apple has this XEON 2 dual-processor core (paraphrasing) but I've been keeping track of the dual processors since their inception and from what I've read, over and over, unless you're performing very specific tasks under absolutely ideal conditions, processor speeds are pretty much equal with macs and PCs in real world application.

Not saying PCs are better than macs. They're just a lot cheaper. And yes, I've seen those mac powerbooks and I'd die to have one. But again, they're just out of my price range. I feel like Apple rips the consumer off. We all know how much these components in their systems cost, so why are they charging so much for them? Aren't they gazillionaires enough after the ipod???
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I think the thing is, you can get a much cheaper PC that will probably get the job done for you until you need something more powerful. The mac workstations are comparable in specs and price to good Dell workstations of the same quality. But for many people, a cheaper PC will do what you need. I still edit and do AE work on a P4 dell desktop and it's like a tank. Cheaper hardware, true, but until it dies, I am not in the mood to spend more money on either a high end PC workstation, or a high end Mac.

So if you want to save money, you can figure out what you need and can get away with and upgrade later.

WinXP has always been rock solid for me. My G4 used to crash all the time. But mainly because of things like early versions of Compressor, and soundtrack. Those were pretty buggy.

However, stay away from WinXP Media Center, because it is the spawn of Satan.

Plus, Apple is a hardware company. They are like Sun. They can promise stability because they keep a tight leash on the hardware/software match. Usually when a Win machine crashes, it's due to 3rd party software. They open it up to any company to make the software/drivers/etc, so quality control on that front is harder.
 
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