8GB P2 cards officially drop to $700

No, it makes sense. Looks like 32 gigs are the closest thing on the horizon. That gives you the 64 minutes per cam in any of the non-native modes. Beyond that, we'll have to wait and see when the 64's are coming. That'll be over two hours of 1080p, or any of the non-native modes. Who knows when they will be around, though. But, I certainly don't think we can expect the lull we saw from 8 to 16.

32 starts getting really sweet, and great for most applications and most users. 64's are still a bit down the road, though. Until then, it looks like the Firestore and the Cineporter are still going to be best for scenario's like the ones you describe.

But, I really think we will start seeing a lot heavier downward pressure on p2 prices in the near future. It could *almost* become as cost effective to have a couple of extra p2 cards per camera. At least there would be less equipment to carry around.

Jason
 
BenB said:
I have a live concert at the New Orleans Jazz Fest next month to shoot. May run just over an hour. Three or four HVX's. 1 or 2 will be hand held. Those two hand held have to use FS-100's.
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You could always rent more P2 cards. In fact doing hand held at a show like this, I would much rather carry a few extra P2 cards in my pocket, than be tethered to and lug around a hard drive with extra battery power. In this situation the FS-100 kind of defeats the purpose of buying a camera with no moving parts (unless you use tape).
 
ozduc said:
In this situation the FS-100 kind of defeats the purpose of buying a camera with no moving parts (unless you use tape).
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In many of my situations, if I can't do an hour true non-stop, the HVX would be useless. FS-10 defeats the purpose? How? Strap it on and go! The battery lasts longer than the HVX battery (even the DVXuser.com battery), so that's not an issue. And I'd rather have all this footage recorded as QT movies rather than have to hassle with MXF data risks when I get back to the studio. Plus, not sure there's enough P2 cards locally to rent. That's an hour plus worth of P2 cards for FOUR cameras. We are on a budget, too. Just not practical for our situation. FS-100 solves a LOT of problems for us.
 
This price drop and the 16's coming out will greatly reduce the need for the Firestore or the Cineporter I have reserved.
No, I didn't say eliminate so don't go there! :beer: I'm talking about our needs and 20% or more of others as well.

2 8gig cards was pushing it for us but 2 16's and the 2 8's as backup will do us fine, and no cables or extra hardware attached which is my issue with FS and CP.
This camera just gets better with age.
 
TedRR said:
This price drop and the 16's coming out will greatly reduce the need for the Firestore or the Cineporter I have reserved.
No, I didn't say eliminate so don't go there! :beer: I'm talking about our needs and 20% or more of others as well.

2 8gig cards was pushing it for us but 2 16's and the 2 8's as backup will do us fine, and no cables or extra hardware attached which is my issue with FS and CP.
This camera just gets better with age.
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Would be interesting to see what FS and CP do to counter the advances of P2 cards. They will have to start dropping prices or start offering larger capacities. Plus FS will have to start addressing their short comings with faster fixes when thier software isn't always what its cracked up to be with some of the NL editing programs. (eg: FS's version of 24pN not working well with Avid.)
 
There are advantages to the FS besides space. Time Lapse at any interval setting, at any camera setting. Organizing your clips into Reels.

I don't think you can say any one media is the end all and be all for everyone in all situations. Each has it's place. There are situations where P2 has been the way to go for me. Others, I couldn't shoot without the FS. If it weren't for the FS coming out so soon, I'd have never been able to use the HVX for my documentary.

Focus has in fact been VERY fast with updates to fix problems. As far as Avid, we're talking about one specific NLE that is having a problem with it's proprietary way of handling things. That's one problem with one NLE, not a universal, it's not "some NL editing programs", it's just one.

Cineporter will have it's place, FS-100 will always have it's place, P2 cars will always have their place. But to think that P2 cards will replace the Cineporter and FS-100 is foolish thinking. Both of these products will continue to develop and offer ADDED features that the HVX can't provide on it's own. Each has it's place.

What about recording QT native with clip spanning? P2 cards will never do it. But the Cineporter and FS-100 will be able to develop this as an added feature. The will both also push Panasonic to get on the stick with more than just capacity, but with added features on future versions of a P2 camera in this price bracket.

Did you know you can link two FS-100's together? When the first fills up, the second begins recording automatically. I'm sure we'll never see that sort of non-stop recording capacity on a P2 card, ever. The Cineporter and FS-100 will continue to offer more and more features over time. I wouldn't write off good products so fast.

Again, personally, the FS-100 is the ONLY HVX solution that makes the camera useful to me at this time. I, for one, am very greatful to have it. Otherwise I'd be forced to use HDV, GROSSSS!!!!!!!
 
So when the 16gig cards are announced at NAB, any speculation on how long before they hit the street?

G.
 
MotionMedia said:
By the time the 32meg P2's come around, the HVX200 will have long been replaced by an even niftier camcorder
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32GB P2 cards are about 8 months away. Nothing new or niftier is coming along to replace it in that timeframe.
 
Its been a while since I looked at the hvx... found some information in the artical section... found out that an 8 gig will equal 8 minutes according to the chart which is what I remember... but what about shooting 1080p 24p...

Yes I did try a search... but no luck...

Sorry for the thread robbing here...
 
Gary,
LOok at a gig a minute in 1080p modes, and in non-native 720 modes.

Look at about 2.5 minutes per gig in 720p/24pn.

8gigs is 21 minutes in 720p/24pn. So, two cards in camera is 41.
All non-native HD modes, it's 8 minutes. Or, 16 minutes with 2 8 gig cards in camera.

Jason
 
It's interesting seeing this topic resurface (again). I'm betting that it will continue to be so each time a higher capacity card is introduced . . . although the "record time" argument has already begun the "fade to black".

This camera (the HVX) will soon close in on the 18 month mark on the street, and most people have found *thier* solution(s) already. Whether higher capacity forces a re-examination of their workflow or not is certainly for them to decide.

So sure, while you can't record continiously for 24 hours in QuickTime (or whatever flavor), or strap it to your back and fly to Mars is of little consequence . . . it's still a very nice piece of equipment for the money. I'd like to see Panasonic include a "free" 4 gig card so that everyone at least gets to experience HD right out of the box. I suppose rather than force people into paying for it I suppose there could be an option to receive the camera with or without the free card at the same price?

"By the time the 32meg P2's come around, the HVX200 will have long been replaced by an even niftier camcorder" You may be right but how many iterations of the Canon, JVC, or Sony will we have seen by then?

Peace.
 
I am sure there are some 4gig cards still out there. I'm wondering what vendors will want for them. I still think its better to have 2 4-gigs than one 8-gig. It would be sweet to get two 4 gig cards for $5-$600.00.
 
Well with the rec time worry gone lets shoot. In just two year the biggest issue of the new technology will disappear and all the people holding back tape had to let go the plastic BOX (tape).
It also proves Sony had it wrong when they bet on moving Disc. There is no way in XDCAM HD you can record 2 hour HD and more if you willing to swap.
Now Hope the Apple make this MXF in there import this year and P2 cards will become norm instead of exception in production world.

I cant wait for 32Gb card with most reliable record media ever. Well there is a price to pay and its worth it.
 
What I find humorous is the 8GB card that's selling on Ebay for $872 dollars right now. Wonder if it will keep going up?

Anyway I called a couple of Panasonic dealers here in L.A. I've bene told the price of the P2 4Gb will not drop even though it's being discontinued.
 
P2metoo said:
It also proves Sony had it wrong when they bet on moving Disc. There is no way in XDCAM HD you can record 2 hour HD and more if you willing to swap.
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I'm not a Sony fan, but I don't really agree with your statement. As they keep playing with laser technology and disc materials they seem to be able to expand capacity. Who really knows where it will all end up?
 
I'm sure that optical storage hasn't reached its limits, but any enhancements will not be supported by the current optical drives or media -- what you got is all you get. New XDCAM HD cameras will be able to take advantage of it, but the old cameras will be left behind.

P2 is a different story. The RAID controller in the card and the P2 protocol act as an abstraction layer which allows the memory chips to move from SD to SDHC, or even some other storage medium (just look at the Cineporter). With P2 cameras, you can in fact greatly expand the capacity, and having multiple slots and hot-swap capabilities mean you can essentially record indefinitely.
 
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