Help & Advice on SPECIFICS (ordering equipment tomorrow)

[orangesaybananas]

the NFL uses HD cameras, not film.

do this for me: watch the NFL network sometime or an NFL films championship dvd, and tell me with a straight face that all the 120fps slow motion shots were done with a hd camera. if you really can't tell the difference between film and hd, well then i don't know what to say.

 

[bbalser]

Well, tell that to the author of the article I sighted.

I have seen several examples, and it is well documented, that there are HD productions that professionals swear were done on film. That's the truth. It's not all of them, but they are growing in number.

More goes into a look than the format it's recorded on. There's the lens, lighting, etc, etc, etc. To say HD will never look like film, well, that's simply just not univerally true in my personal experience.

I won't get into a pissing match here, I'm only telling you what I've read and seen. Beside, when you transfer film to NTSC-DV, don't you degrade the image?

Glad you have success with film. I personally see great advantages to using DVCPRO-HD in a tapless format. I save on all that transfer time and cost. I can, and do, in fact, get a film look that is pretty nice.

I did watch the SuperBowl, and it was all HD cameras. It's there in the article I mentioned before.

Film is great, but not everyone can afford film, with all the cost and time to transfer to NTSC-DV tapes and all. To say that a film look is absolutly not achievable with HD is just not something that holds as much water as it did a few years ago.

The article I site was written by Mark J. Pescatore who interviewed Mike Arnold who directed Super Bowl XLI from Dophin Stadium. If you think the article is wrong, please look it up, read it, and contact the author and Director Mike Arnold. I'm only saying what I read.

Best of luck in your future productions, OB.

Peace
I'm out

 

[orangesaybananas]

To say HD will never look like film, well, that's simply just not univerally true in my personal experience.

I don't mean to be pedantic but I'm really bothered by all the conjecture on this website about how HD can/could/does look like film by people who have never shot on motion picture film. The thing is, I believed it for many years.

I come from a video background (DVX and SDX) and have only recently started shooting film. There is a very clear difference to me. Film creates an emotional connection with viewers that I never had with video. For some projects, it's the only chear choice, for me and what I do.

I can, and do, in fact, get a film look that is pretty nice.

So, you have, in fact, shot motion picture film and know how motion picture film responds to light? If you haven't, what are you comparing your video images to? What is your reference point?

I don't question that you get a very nice look with the HVX, but saying it has a "film look" undermines your credibility in the professional circles you are likely targeting with your Apple Certified Trainer campaign.

I did watch the SuperBowl, and it was all HD cameras. It's there in the article I mentioned before.

Right. I wasn't referring to the live broadcast of the game. I was referring to the NFL Films 26-camera coverage of the Superbowl shot on 16mm film. The NFL is the world's largest consumer of Kodak 16mm film. There are articles about this all over the internet. Or, just call Kodak.

To say that a film look is absolutly not achievable with HD is just not something that holds as much water as it did a few years ago.

Basically nothing has changed in the last few years, except film has gotten better with the Vision 2 stock and HD/video has gotten cheaper with products like the HVX. I have yet to find someone who believes the HVX looks better than the Sony F900, which came out in 1999.

16mm film still has more of a film-look than the F900.

 

[Saugidaug]

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First of all you will find that B&H almost always has the best price. I live 1 mile from there and they have been great in price and service. You have to know what you want to get no matter where you buy. I would not buy any of the stuff after the gaffer tape. You don't need a rewinder; also get a lens pen and forget about a "cleaning" kit, just a rip off. Batteries from DVX are great. I would also think twice about the Mack warranty plan. You get 1 year from Panasonic.