Alternative to high priced tripods?

I've often wondered why a good tripod costs so much. Most on this board say for serious use you must spend $1500- $2000 or more. I have a used Bogen
3046 legs and 3063 head that is strong and works OK, but would like something with a better fluid head. Not being a crowd follower, I have been watching Ebay for an alternative.

A photography supplier , Amvona, lists their line of equipment on Ebay with no reserve and I have won a lot of good items from them, such as a 1000 watt softbox for $110. THe stuff I have gotten is good quality - and they have 53,000 transactions with 99.6% positive feedback. So I thought I would check out their line of tripods and see if they offer anything decent for pro video .

They have a couple of models that will support up to 30 pounds. After reading the reviews by some that have purchased it, I took a chance and bid on on of them and got it for just over $400. It is their model 9903. Here is one of the
auctions of that model:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PROFESSIONAL-VIDEO-TRIPOD-KIT-PRO-FLUID-DRAG-HEAD-9903_W0QQitemZ200081723089QQihZ010QQcategoryZ30094QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Here a a couple of the reviews left by buyers of the tripod. They look legit rather than contrived to me:

This is an amazing tripod, genuinely worth MUCH more than I was lucky enough to get mine for. The 9903 is leaps and bounds above the 501 from Manfrotto/Bogen head/tripod system I've been using. The movement is MUCH smoother in pans and tilts. There is a brake for tilting which makes your tilts smooth and controlled and it's as easy as flipping a switch to activate it! The sticks are great, very sturdy and well contructed! And the ease of setting up for lower shots can't be beat! For those with the XL2, like me, you'll find that the mounting plate main screw doesn't fit, but the smaller one does. Both screws are removable from their holes, simply unscrew them(the larger one will need to be slid to the larger notch to be unscrewed). The smaller screw fits the XL2 mounting plate screw hole perfectly! However, the screw itself is too small to stay in the plate(it lacks the larger retaining "lip" to keep it in the track) but if you're like me, you won't need to take it off the camera so this problem isn't really that big a deal!


I was pleasantly surprised with this tripod, it is very sturdy, light and well built, the bowl seems smooth and accurate on the bubble. Tested it for a couple of hours, and it is very good, for the price excellent. I use very heavy camera for today’s standards (40 - 45 lb) Sony or Ikegami BetaCam SP with BVV5 back, Chrozsiel Matte box, Anton Bauer Propack 14 digital, and Portabrace cover, and a small body Arriflex 16 with accoutrements and even with all this it holds very very well, all Pans and tilts seem very smooth, and the breaks hold well too. Maybe with time the weight might take its toll but for now it seems a good purchase, the packaging was great, the bag is as good as many top end tripods, and it comes with two handles and adjustment tools, no instructions, (but if you need instructions to use a tripod, then maybe you shouldn’t own one), hehehehe just kidding. Over all, my feeling is that it is as good as a Vinten 10 or 12, with the same kind of features and bag, costing 2000.00. If you use a lighter camera, or less accessories than I do, and use the tripod properly, you should be OK for years to come. Many tripods suffer tremendously because camera operators and even DP’s try to pan or tilt with out releasing the breaks. And for the other member comment about the rings. The rings on the inside of the legs, are for placing weight, ( battery, sand bags etc) under certain, steep angle placement of the tripod, or if Dutching a shot, or heavy winds, moving vehicle, or anchoring, you use those rings to hang weight on the legs for hold or pull down, without restricting you head movements. Maybe im wrong but for years the rings came in handy. Thanks and good shopping.


I will receive the tripod in a couple of days and let you know what I think. Would be interested in hearing from anyone elso who has purchased one.
I fully realize that those who own Sachtler and Cartoni equipment
will be skeptical , but that's OK. For years I've tried to find cheaper alternatives to high priced products of all kinds, and had a lot of success. You don't know if you don't try.:)
 
Yes, please keep us updated. If something like this works well, then you just saved a lot of people over a grand :)

Keep us informed, let us know how much shipping is and how fast it arrived, too
 
Shipping was $21.00. Other items from them have been shipped immediately
with a tracking #, and arrived quickly. I couldn't find this particular model on their
regular retail site (Amvona.com) but the nearly identical next model up "lists" at $2000. I would encourage DVX'ers to look over their list of items for sale. A lot is photography related, but many items translate to video. I just got a good deal on a greenscreen and some other stuff. Bid on items that end late at night or during business hours, when few are online bidding, and you can get a real deal. Right now they have over
2000 items listed at no reserve(see link below).

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZamvona.comQQhtZ-1

Shipping is a little on the high side on some items, but with that many items listed and many duplicates, the bidding competition is minimal.
 
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mainstreetprod said:
I've often wondered why a good tripod costs so much. Most on this board say for serious use you must spend $1500- $2000 or more.
Because it takes $150 to $200 in parts to actually build the thing, plus a 1000% markup to pay for the labor involved in manufacturing, distributing, and retailing the product. Also, professional level gear comes with a VERY supportive manufacturer who listens to customers needs and implements improvements. They usually also include a 5 year warranty with a USA service center... All that costs $$.


mainstreetprod said:
I fully realize that those who own Sachtler and Cartoni equipment will be skeptical , but that's OK.
Have used Sachtler DV4-II and own a Cartoni Focus. Let me tell you this level of gear is not "all that". Gear in this price range is made out of cheap plastic. One exception could be the Vision 3 head. It is exceptionally well made. Great head for a great price. Can't recommend it highly enough,..

mainstreetprod said:
For years I've tried to find cheaper alternatives to high priced products of all kinds, and had a lot of success. You don't know if you don't try.:)
Agreed. The Peleng 8mm is a great example of low priced, high quality merchandise. It is sharper than the Nikon equivalent, at 1/5th the price.
 
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Thisiswells-

I suspect this company is having all this stuff made in China to their specs. At one time that would have killed the deal. However, the Chinese have made a
lot of progress, following the Japanese, in making quality products for less money. I for one want to see what kind of tripod they can build.
 
I'm looking forward to your review. More so than your initial review, I'm interested in hearing how the tripod performs five years down the road.

My Cartoni Focus had to be serviced after a year of regular use. But, so did all three of the Vinten's at a news environment where I freelance. No head is immune to falling apart. But at least with a name brand you know where to send it in for repair...

What's the service history of Amvona.com? That's the big question for me.
 
I currently own the 503. Not bad for lightweight camera's. Then I bought the 516. Supports 22lbs. Both these heads are not bad. However I am currently looking into purchasing a Vinten.
 
Any company that has a list price at $3995.00 and sells for as low as $342.00 makes me pretty suspicious.

That is less than 10% of the advertised price.
 
List price as mentioned above is $1995, for the next model up. This particular
model is not on their site, just on Ebay.

You are suspicious as in , concerned about getting the merchandise - or
as in bad quality?
 
Bad quality.

Obviously it's your call, but a list price that high with sales price that low indicates that something is out of whack.

People who choose proven sticks and heads like Sachtler and Cartoni, etc. are necessarily "following the crowd."

I have yet to see an independent review of the tripods you've referenced. Love to see a direct comparison to the crowd choices. However, while I'm always looking for a bargain, I also know sometimes you get what you pay for -- and that isn't always a great bargain.

But it's your money, and best of luck.
 
I take mainstreetprod at his word when he says his experience with his purchases was 'good quality' . I would not bad mouth stuff unless you actually own it.

I have the same experience with the Peleng 8mm as 'thisiswells' cheap price, good quality.

Good find. Interesting stuff, too bad it is mostly for photography. Ive bookmarked the web site though - amnona.com

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I have that tripod. Bought it from Amvona via eBay for around $400 to replace my 351/501 setup. The sticks are awesome. The head is decent -- holds a ton of weight. Not super smooth, but since it didn't come with directions, it may be that I just haven't figured out which way to turn the knobs yet. Hah! Anyway, I haven't regretted the decision. Even if the head dies, I'll at least have some decent sticks with a 100mm bowl.

Also, Flolights.com has this same tripod (can't tell about the head) on their site for $399.
 
dusterdoo said:
I take mainstreetprod at his word when he says his experience with his purchases was 'good quality' . I would not bad mouth stuff unless you actually own it.

I have the same experience with the Peleng 8mm as 'thisiswells' cheap price, good quality.

Good find. Interesting stuff, too bad it is mostly for photography. Ive bookmarked the web site though - amnona.com

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I don't remember bad mouthing anybody.

All I said is that I would be suspicious of quality, and would like to see a comparison with the Sachtlers and Cartonis.
 
Nothing wrong with being suspicious of quality with an obscure product like this.
All I'm saying is that sometimes obscure products can surprise you. When I was growing up in the 60's , all Japanese products were considered junk. Than they learned how to build stuff right and now their cars and audio are considered the best in the world.
I think China has figured this out and is escalating their build quality. A minute ago I surfed over to the audio section and found this thread:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=88870

The poster, a sound recordist, was doing an ultra important shoot and just for grins decided to substitute an inexpensive Chinese mic that he likes for the usual $1000+ Schoeps he would normally use and see if the director or anyone noticed the difference. Short version is that no one noticed and some of the audio crowd are considering this mic instead of the extremely popular Russian Oktava.
 
i´ve got it too. shipping was fast - even to europe. i can´t remember what the price was but it was also in the around 400 price range.
all i can say is that the sticks are great - very high and stable - but really heavy...
the head is crap - the resistance is not ajustable and when the knobs are full open it is much to tight - so a good fast pan is not really possible. but maybe when you use it often it gets more fluid ...
 
koala said:
the resistance is not ajustable and when the knobs are full open it is much to tight - so a good fast pan is not really possible.
On a true fluid head (O'Conner, Cartoni, Miller, etc.) whip pans are easily done, even when the resistance is cranked all the way up. it's built in to the design... it's like magic ;-)
 
koala said:
the head is crap - the resistance is not ajustable and when the knobs are full open it is much to tight - so a good fast pan is not really possible. but maybe when you use it often it gets more fluid ...

Hmmmmm.

An independent review. Most of the money usually goes into the head mechanism.

Again, that's why I was suspicious about build quality.
 
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