Jan_Crittenden
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Well I don't necessarily go by that "nickname" but I am the product manager for the US for the HVX200 and now the HPX500 and my name is Jan. ;-)
Best,
Jan
Best,
Jan
Panasonic's HPX500 Announcement
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joe 1008
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This year all in a sudden there are great cameras within reach!!! Thanks to heaven that I spent last year with script writing 
Everybody ist talking about 15k lenses here for the 500. Is there any actual HD lens for 10 K? My idea is to get a package for under 25.000$ or for under 20.000 € (wit a couple of P2 cards!!!)
Everybody ist talking about 15k lenses here for the 500. Is there any actual HD lens for 10 K? My idea is to get a package for under 25.000$ or for under 20.000 € (wit a couple of P2 cards!!!)
HD and SD lenses
HD and SD lenses
Fuji and Canon are both offering lower cost (10k) HD lenses and HD becomes more prevalent. In SD there were expensive broadcast lenses, and cheaper industrial lenses. So to me these lower cost HD lenses are the new industrial lenses, cheaper servos, fewer elements, less flare control. I would like to see my SD Fuji 17x7.8 on a scope vs. a budget HD lens. My guess is that the difference would be slim to none.
HD and SD lenses
Fuji and Canon are both offering lower cost (10k) HD lenses and HD becomes more prevalent. In SD there were expensive broadcast lenses, and cheaper industrial lenses. So to me these lower cost HD lenses are the new industrial lenses, cheaper servos, fewer elements, less flare control. I would like to see my SD Fuji 17x7.8 on a scope vs. a budget HD lens. My guess is that the difference would be slim to none.
powervideo
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Barry_Green said:
The 500 has a modified 600K SDX imager. The 2000/2100 is over a mill.
Peter
Barry_Green said:
not tomention the benefits of a big chip!!!! DYnamic range baby!!!!!!!!! No NOISE!!!!!
oh wait my Hvx does that already...... (only half joking)
powervideo
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Jan,
Can you say if the 500 has a 2" or 1.5" VF? Plus if it is with a 1.5" (which I suspect it will have because of the price), will buyers be able to purchase a 2" VF option like what happens on the DVCPRO50 range?
Peter Corbett
Can you say if the 500 has a 2" or 1.5" VF? Plus if it is with a 1.5" (which I suspect it will have because of the price), will buyers be able to purchase a 2" VF option like what happens on the DVCPRO50 range?
Peter Corbett
Jan_Crittenden said:
Hmmm.... I'm not sure that "our new HD camera looks as good as Standard Def blown up to 35mm" is a good angle to go with when describing the HPX500. Yeah, yeah, I know what you meant... I'm just giving you a hard time.
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dear "insert deity of choice",
please let the output of the HPX500 look better than Standard Def blown up to 35.
Amen
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Kevin Wells
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harlan said:Hmmm.... I'm not sure that "our new HD camera looks as good as Standard Def blown up to 35mm" is a good angle to go with when describing the HPX500. Yeah, yeah, I know what you meant... I'm just giving you a hard time.
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dear "insert deity of choice",
please let the output of the HPX500 look better than Standard Def blown up to 35.
Amen
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I felt the same way when I read that statement. Seemed a little odd.
yea but an SDX900 is Scary sharp.
well if you read the statement again, it could be taken as, IT looks like the "charchteristics of the SDX900" Taken to the HD or 35mm Level.... I mean the HVX is sharper than upressed SD. there is no WAY that camaera will put out a softer picture than the HVX.
Nah man i agree...... that was a weird way of putting it. She should have said, the HPX500 will eat the children of the XDcam series then bathe in their blueRAY Blood.....
lol!!!
Honestly though, the XDCAM-HD F350 would be a hard camera to beat in terms of resolution. The F350's 1080 performance is noticeably better than a number of other 1080 cameras (even some 2/3" models). It's a great little camera.
I do hope the HPX500 is comparable to it in terms of resolution, but I'm not really expecting it - especially with the native res of the imagers being so low - although the improvement in DR will be nice. Panasonic's gamma curves & colorimetry yield a much more pleasing and filmlike image out of the box than pretty much any of the other cameras I've seen.
So, even it the resolution doesn't quite match up to the competition, it has many other selling points (which are more important in my opinion).
PS - Keep in mind that this is mostly just rambling and based on my experience with the Panny cameras rather than an actual HPX500. I'm a big Panasonic supporter, so don't think I'm being biased or anything.
PPS - I've got my fingers tightly crossed for the HPX500 to kick some ass, and I'd pratically shell out the cash for one right now based on my past experience with Panasonic, but I'd like to get an eval first.
Honestly though, the XDCAM-HD F350 would be a hard camera to beat in terms of resolution. The F350's 1080 performance is noticeably better than a number of other 1080 cameras (even some 2/3" models). It's a great little camera.
I do hope the HPX500 is comparable to it in terms of resolution, but I'm not really expecting it - especially with the native res of the imagers being so low - although the improvement in DR will be nice. Panasonic's gamma curves & colorimetry yield a much more pleasing and filmlike image out of the box than pretty much any of the other cameras I've seen.
So, even it the resolution doesn't quite match up to the competition, it has many other selling points (which are more important in my opinion).
PS - Keep in mind that this is mostly just rambling and based on my experience with the Panny cameras rather than an actual HPX500. I'm a big Panasonic supporter, so don't think I'm being biased or anything.
PPS - I've got my fingers tightly crossed for the HPX500 to kick some ass, and I'd pratically shell out the cash for one right now based on my past experience with Panasonic, but I'd like to get an eval first.
powervideo
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The Grass Valley Infinity has to be a contender against these new cameras with full progressive scan 1920 x 1080 2.4 million pixel 3 x CMOS recording to 10-bit 100mbs JPEG2000 codec on cheap Iomega media.harlan said:lol!!!
Honestly though, the XDCAM-HD F350 would be a hard camera to beat in terms of resolution. The F350's 1080 performance is noticeably better than a number of other 1080 cameras (even some 2/3" models). It's a great little camera.
I do hope the HPX500 is comparable to it in terms of resolution, but I'm not really expecting it - especially with the native res of the imagers being so low - although the improvement in DR will be nice. Panasonic's gamma curves & colorimetry yield a much more pleasing and filmlike image out of the box than pretty much any of the other cameras I've seen.
So, even it the resolution doesn't quite match up to the competition, it has many other selling points (which are more important in my opinion).
PS - Keep in mind that this is mostly just rambling and based on my experience with the Panny cameras rather than an actual HPX500. I'm a big Panasonic supporter, so don't think I'm being biased or anything.
PPS - I've got my fingers tightly crossed for the HPX500 to kick some ass, and I'd pratically shell out the cash for one right now based on my past experience with Panasonic, but I'd like to get an eval first.
Peter
The GVG Infinity is definitely a nice product. It's not however intended for the indie/filmmaker crowd; it's main focus is for broadcast & eng production. GVG has stated in the past that it is designed to be "expanded" upon in terms of format/market capability, but that isn't due to happen for some time (and even then may not feature anything of interest to the majority of readers here or the target market of the HPX500).
The biggest limitation to the Infinity is it's lack of any 1080p capability. While it does have progressive scan imagers, they have no "p" support in their 1080i stream, and it hasn't publicly been on the drawing board. The Infinity was really designed to meet all of the current broadcast flavors of HD (ATSC) - 1080i, 720p, 625i, 525i. It has no 24p capability at all (but GVG has said that it's a possible option in the future, but their focus is more on broadcast).
The infrastructure exists in the camera to add progressive capabilities into the 1080i stream (ie: it has progressive scan CMOS imagers, and true 720p capability) - but GVG has yet to announce any official "p" capability in the 1080i stream.
I'm rambling a bit... point is, the product looks fantastic on paper, especially the IT capabilities, but without 24p it's not of real interest to me. GVG is basically targeting the same market that Panasonic is with the HPX2000. Although Panasonic was intelligent enough to add 1080p capture (29.97p, 25p, 23.98p), but the HPX2000 uses the whole goofy pixel/spatial shifting stuff rather than a native 1080 imager like the Infinity does. They're both in similar price ranges as well.
Anyway... both the HPX2000 & Infinity are nice looking cameras for the broadcast market, but not quite what most of us here are looking for. The infinity is also way behind schedule, and GVG recently announced that it was being slightly delayed - something to do with Windows Vista (hehehe... just kidding... you know... how Vista kept gettin delayed... baaaaah... nevermind).
Note to self - don't drink and post.
The biggest limitation to the Infinity is it's lack of any 1080p capability. While it does have progressive scan imagers, they have no "p" support in their 1080i stream, and it hasn't publicly been on the drawing board. The Infinity was really designed to meet all of the current broadcast flavors of HD (ATSC) - 1080i, 720p, 625i, 525i. It has no 24p capability at all (but GVG has said that it's a possible option in the future, but their focus is more on broadcast).
The infrastructure exists in the camera to add progressive capabilities into the 1080i stream (ie: it has progressive scan CMOS imagers, and true 720p capability) - but GVG has yet to announce any official "p" capability in the 1080i stream.
I'm rambling a bit... point is, the product looks fantastic on paper, especially the IT capabilities, but without 24p it's not of real interest to me. GVG is basically targeting the same market that Panasonic is with the HPX2000. Although Panasonic was intelligent enough to add 1080p capture (29.97p, 25p, 23.98p), but the HPX2000 uses the whole goofy pixel/spatial shifting stuff rather than a native 1080 imager like the Infinity does. They're both in similar price ranges as well.
Anyway... both the HPX2000 & Infinity are nice looking cameras for the broadcast market, but not quite what most of us here are looking for. The infinity is also way behind schedule, and GVG recently announced that it was being slightly delayed - something to do with Windows Vista (hehehe... just kidding... you know... how Vista kept gettin delayed... baaaaah... nevermind).
Note to self - don't drink and post.
joe 1008
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I think pixel shift in progressive mode works fine as proven by the HVX. There are some issues in interlaced mode so I suppose the 500 is in first place a very good progressive cam. The Grass Valley and the 2000 maybe resolve better in interlaced mode but why not use the synergetic advantage of having 3 sensors in a camera and boost the resolution - have in mind, that SDX sensors for PAL SDXs have 575 lines - I´m damn sure that they use modified PAL-sensors for the 500 so pixel shift would be even easier. I bet it will provide a very good an clean 1080p - image.
NOW MY QUESTION: 2/3'' provides pretty shallow DOF already but with primes it should be even better. My idea is to get a suitable zoom for genera work and ONE PRIME ONLY for those soft shots for dialogues etc... so:
WHICH IS THE BEST FOCAL LENGHT AND APERTURE FOR 2/3" PRIMES FOR SHALLOW DOF???
NOW MY QUESTION: 2/3'' provides pretty shallow DOF already but with primes it should be even better. My idea is to get a suitable zoom for genera work and ONE PRIME ONLY for those soft shots for dialogues etc... so:
WHICH IS THE BEST FOCAL LENGHT AND APERTURE FOR 2/3" PRIMES FOR SHALLOW DOF???