best shutter speed for film look?

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verlaine

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i was wondering what is the best shutter spead to use when shooting 24pa on a 100b.
the manual says either 1/50 or 1/60 is best, but in another thread a guy said most films are shot at 1/48. i wont be shooting any fast action sequences, just natural movement. any advice? thanks.
 
this is something ive been thinking about for a very long time. So ive been watching films wiht a keen eye to try and scopoe out what they have been using.

can anyone tell me, what do they use in something like, lord of the rings?

take a look at fellowship, watch it and tell me what u think.
 
Well 1/48 is right... if you are shooting 24p. I don't think it's even available if you are shooting 30p or 60i. But you're asking about film look, so I'm sure your shooting 24p.
 
i didnt re-watch it but depending on the scene I'm guessing 1/48 (or 180 degree) for the Shire and nice pretty stuff and then maybe 1/72-1/96 for the battle or action intense scenes. If i remember it seems a little quicker. But who knows? Maybe Andrew Lesnie will chime in?

Verlaine: I've shot a slow paced music video in 1/24th. It came out really smooth (which is what i was going for). A good example of very high shutter speed would be "saving private ryan" the omaha beach landing scene (Janusz Kaminski).
 
Ummm... I'm going to have to chime in here. I believe 1/60th is where *most* films are shot, not 1/48th.
 
i really wanna get this down cause its soo impossible to find these things out.

Let's take shire for example, when i shoot at 1 48th, i get alot more blur than the characters im watching get.
 
Since many film camera's allow for a range of shutter angles, there isn't a specific equivalent shutter speed that is "correct". Certainly the range of 1/48th of a second (equivalent to 180 degrees at 24 fps) to 1/60th of a second (equivalent to 144 degrees) will yield similar results and these two extremes represent the shutter angle that most film cameras are typically set to. What is important to understand is when and why you would choose any shutter period.

Longer open periods (lower shutter speeds) will yield more light and more motion blur (if your subjects are in motion in relationship to the cameras frame). If your subjects and the camera are static, then motion doesn't come into play at all, but you still get more light to the imager.

Shorter open periods (higher shutter speeds) will yield less light and less motion blur (again only if there is relative motion).

If you are in a situation where you need the extra light and you don't have much subject/camera motion (or don't mind the result of) go ahead and use a longer open (lower shutter speed). In some nighttime situations, I have used a fully open shutter (not possible in all but a few very special film cameras) or 1/24 of a second (equal to a 360 degree shutter) to get a full stop advantage in sensitivity.
 
Most films are shot with a 180 degree shutter, which at 24 fps equates to 1/48 second open shutter time per frame.

Nobody moves too fast in the Shire so it might not be the best point of comparison. :)


It's a common trend for action scenes to be shot with narrower shutters, see Saving Private Ryan and Gladiator. But the default and vastly more common shutter is 180 degrees.

Since film cameras can't open their shutters much past 180 degrees, anytime you use a shutter speed slower than 1/48 you are creating a look that is unique to video cameras and therefor not very filmic.

-Stu
 
i agree about seeing little movement in the shire, but for instance, i watch certain things such as how peoples hair moves when they walk or run, and look at the detail that i see.

It is much less blurred than wha i get at 1/48th.
 
PaPa, if you could post a clip that shows what you're talking about it would be very helpful. Otherwise I'm having trouble imagining why your 1/48 second would be any different than Peter Jackson's!

-Stu
 
1/48th is the way to go - sold several features to Lions Gate films with that setting and to pay per view tv. It's very filmic, annnnnnnnnnd if you are going for that "Saving Private Ryan" Look go with some of the higher settings. If you turn the syncho scan to "off" it is essentially giving you 1/48th anway. I thinnk the Varicam it is 1/50th. Hope this helps

Omar
 
Remote82 said:
1/48 is going to mimic the look of film the most.
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I don't get it. Where is the 1/48 option on the camera?

I can't seem to find it.

Do I shoot 1/48 with 24p or 24PA or both?
 
Super Trooper said:
I don't get it. Where is the 1/48 option on the camera?

I can't seem to find it.

Do I shoot 1/48 with 24p or 24PA or both?
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Menu > Camera Setup > Syncro Scan (set it to 1/48.0) |

After that, hit the Speed Sel Button and look for 1/48.0
 
Saturation with varying shutter speeds

Saturation with varying shutter speeds

Well, i'm new here.

I have recently upgraded to a dvx100a from an older panasonic 3ccd, on both cameras i seem to notice that the saturation of colors decreases slightly when i bump up the shutter speeds. I shoot BMX and skateboarding, so it's nice to have sharp images to work with, hence higher shutter speeds and for frame grabs as well as the benefits to the depth of field. Just wondering if it is my eyes, something that only seems to be noticeable on my LCD screen or a common occurence that i just havent been told about?

Thanks
 
yuujinlee said:
Menu > Camera Setup > Syncro Scan (set it to 1/48.0) |

After that, hit the Speed Sel Button and look for 1/48.0
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you dont need to do that, just hit shutter off, and its auto 1/48th
 
Attic6 said:
I have recently upgraded to a dvx100a from an older panasonic 3ccd, on both cameras i seem to notice that the saturation of colors decreases slightly when i bump up the shutter speeds. I shoot BMX and skateboarding, so it's nice to have sharp images to work with, hence higher shutter speeds and for frame grabs as well as the benefits to the depth of field. Just wondering if it is my eyes, something that only seems to be noticeable on my LCD screen or a common occurence that i just havent been told about?
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The only thing I can think of is that if you set the shutter too high where gain was needed just to get proper exposure, then that would certainly degrade the image. Along the same lines, if the shutter is high enough where the iris is absolutely wide open, you won't get as sharp a picture since the lens doesn't perform as well on the extreme ends.
 
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