UKP - an Ignatius Fischer motion picture

Theodore J Arabian said:
I am confused by this statement. There are many here who shoot 4:3 and crop. Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?

-Ted
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Hi Ted,

What I was getting at is that the rules state an anamorphic movie is required. Shooting in 4:3 and cropping down to 16x9 does not give one an anamorphic formatted "print", but rather a 4:3 print cropped. Which means you either have to take your cropped 4:3 image and stretch it to anamorphic size (blow it up) or format the end movie with additional horizontal black bars (pillars) to maintain the cropped image at it's native resolution. I experimented with various "blowing up" methods in addition to pillaring and matting a 4:3 image and decided to shoot with the in-camera anamorphic squeeze (which is just the camera's software center-punching and blowing up the middle of its 4:3 frame) - it was the best image from my tests.
 
I see. Well, I believe I am in the minority here as I shoot in squeeze mode myself.

Thanks for the clarification. I was just making sure that you didn't think that you COULDN'T shoot 4:3 and crop in post. I know that there are many here who shoot 4:3 and crop in post.
 
Yeah, I think we are in the minority. I never used the squeeze mode until now because of all the bruhaha over loss of resolution and all of that. But now that I've done my own tests, the in-camera squeeze is really pretty nice. It's not super sharp, but first off, it's SD, so so what, and second, heh, having a softer image sometimes saves my ass.

And that's cool, Brandon, I never want to come off like I'm saying someone SHOULD or SHOULDN'T do something, I think 4:3 cropped is great as well, and something I did for the longest time. It's just that for me, after I finally did my own tests, I've kinda warmed to the idea of using the squeeze.
 
funny, I was going to mention Brandon as a huge advocator of 4:3 cropped but didn't want to drop his name like that.

Brandon, you have always made a good arguement for 4:3 cropped... and now that I am becoming better with my NLE, I may give it a try next time!

Good luck here, ignatius. Looking forward to your film.

-Ted
 
Hey Brandon, so what method do you use to fit your final into the anamorphic requirement? Just curious, and always looking to learn what I can.
 
I usually just uprez in Avid... basically create a resize layer, stretch the footage to 133% and render out a 16:9 file. This is basically the same thing squeeze mode does, but I do it in post so I have more freedom of my framing (if I messed up) :)
 
That little bit of latitude in re-framing is one thing I kinda missed in post, now that you mention it. But on the other hand, it was nice to have the LCD represent the actual frame, without a plastic overlay or something to mark the eventual crop.
 
Yeah, I am looking forward to the ability to re-frame if need be.

ignatius, you have the dvx100b, right? Did you learn the lesson that the lcd DOES NOT accurately display the full frame in squeeze? (there is a 10% overscan when using squeeze.) I learned this the hard way in my first film!!!
 
Theodore J Arabian said:
Yeah, I am looking forward to the ability to re-frame if need be.

ignatius, you have the dvx100b, right? Did you learn the lesson that the lcd DOES NOT accurately display the full frame in squeeze? (there is a 10% overscan when using squeeze.) I learned this the hard way in my first film!!!
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Yes, and I still prefer it to the plastic overlays I have to use for framing 2.35 or 16x9 when shooting in 4:3 mode - I'm used to framing with overscan in mind, so that didn't bother me too much.
 
Ignatious, interesting poster ... has a very Newline cinema look, or another larger studio dramatic entry. Sharp, simple, professional. Also love what looks like a screen grab incorporated into your banner!
 
Envision said:
Ignatious, interesting poster ... has a very Newline cinema look, or another larger studio dramatic entry. Sharp, simple, professional. Also love what looks like a screen grab incorporated into your banner!
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Hey, thanks, Envision. I believe your name is Norm Sanders, right? I have gone through your entire thread and all the BTS videos and just haven't taken the time yet to drop a line there. I really appreciate your comments, you work on a pretty hefty scale, that's awesome. Pandora, which I just saw a couple days ago, was great.

Yes, that's a slightly CC'd frame in the UKP banner. I'm glad you dig it.
 
Ignatius,

So.... how is this project going with one weekend plus three days to go?

And am I understanding your earlier posts correctly, that with the squeeze mode, you can't re-frame during editing?
 
RobertE said:
Ignatius,

So.... how is this project going with one weekend plus three days to go?

And am I understanding your earlier posts correctly, that with the squeeze mode, you can't re-frame during editing?
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Concerning re-framing, you can if you are matting down to a 2.35 aspect ratio. I'm sticking with the original 16x9 image because I need the vertical space in the location.

Well, I've got the film pretty much locked at 6'08", which of course means I need to shave something for the Dramafest entry, but I'll put it back afterwards. I'm sure it's just me being too close to it, but I've gone over the final edit a few times now and I believe I've sucked every non-essential frame out of the thing, and further attempts only serve to weaken it.

I did the foley work I needed and I'll probably make one more pass at the sound, but the sound isn't going to win me any kudos - I just tried to get it to where you don't miss any dialogue. Sound is such a huge, huge thing and not only do I have extremely limited knowledge of it, I have yet to meet a pro sound guy or someone really good with sound capture, who is willing to work for free. So we did our best with what we could. Your mic really made the difference, otherwise we'd've been stuck using my two-pieces-of-crap-in-one Azden (which actually nose-dived into the first floor tile from the second-floor balcony and quit working altogether ... which was a blessing - I am now forced to get a decent mic or find someone who's got one and knows how to use it).

Here is the working draft for the DVD packaging I'm developing for the cast and crew:

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jeremytuttle said:
I love the front cover shots. Are those screen grabs?
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Yes, they are frames, exported as uncomopressed TIFFs and given the same fairly subtle CC treatment I gave the final edit. I've done a bunch of DVD inserts for videography and documentary projects and I always end up using stills from the footage. I just don't have the right kind of imagination (or skillset) to make something truly illustrated.
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ignatius said:
I just don't have the right kind of imagination (or skillset) to make something truly illustrated.
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And you cant pick up the phone? Or send an e-mail.....truely Harsh wasnt my best work.....

Or did I say I would come up with something on my own, and Im the one thats at fault????

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Bayne said:
Im the one thats at fault.....

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Dude, you're always the one at fault.
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Well, you know my tendency to be a bit of a control freak, so like the credit seq, even if someone else (names not mentioned) comes up with a brilliant piece of work, I have to get in there and change all the details and force my own unskilled and uncreative vision onto it. And as uncharacteristic as this seems, I end up feeling bad about that (but not bad enough to change my ego-driven ways!).

All BS aside, Bayne has some fantastic ideas - I mean, check out his avatar which is his company logo, it's freakin' awesome. And the banner for the Harvester, which I dig for its texture and color.

And dude, I would never hold Harsh against you - I'm thankful you haven't held it against me!
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