Lens filters for the HVX

I use the Hoya from B&H. I use a Tiffen Polarizer 77mm with Bower 83-77 stepup ring . This was a filter I had purchased for the DVX 100.
Mule Ferguson
Pumpkin Creek Video
 
FilmBoy: you may find more answers in the hardware section.. also Search the key word "Filter, or UV filter or Polarizer "
 
Barry_Green said:
Do you really want to put a cheap piece of glass in front of your HD lens? Get the B+W.
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I keep wondering that when I see all these folks putting a cheap 35mm adapter and cheap 35mm lenses in front of the HVX. Most of the screen grabs I have seen from this combo look soft to me. (flame suit on)
 
No flame suit necessary. I've found the same thing, and up until now I haven't really "gotten it". Putting a homemade piece of scratched plastic in front of your lens... :huh:

The L35FE is delivering amazingly sharp images though, images that are hard to tell from the raw lens (excepting the shallower DOF, of course!) Still has some issues I'm trying to sort out, but it's the first one that I think might be completely viable (especially because it renders the image right-side-up.)
 
I started getting interested in doing my own stuff just a few years ago, a bit before the HVX was a rumor. My technical understanding is severely underdeveloped and looks like it doesn't belong to the rest of my in a weird frankenstein sort of way, especially when compared to my overflowing eagerness to learn and discuss (a bit too much talking). I find a sense of peace when blindly following the suggestions of the more knowledgeable members of this forum. Barry's well developed posting and eloquence makes it that much easier to allow myself to be guided by his comments so I got the B+W (a UV)... However someone said something that made me realize this was the ONLY way to go (any high grade equivalent) and that was that you will allways have a UV on... just for the sake of protecting your Leica... so if you will be looking though this piece for such a long time, consider it a dime-a-day and in a year you will have paid for the added peace of mind that you are not downgrading your shots... even if you can't tell

I did very little with the camera before I got the filter but I noticed no difference when viewing carefully focused 720 on my laptop's 17' LCD.
Since it went on if never came off.
 
Barry_Green said:
No flame suit necessary. I've found the same thing, and up until now I haven't really "gotten it". Putting a homemade piece of scratched plastic in front of your lens... :huh:

The L35FE is delivering amazingly sharp images though, images that are hard to tell from the raw lens (excepting the shallower DOF, of course!) Still has some issues I'm trying to sort out, but it's the first one that I think might be completely viable (especially because it renders the image right-side-up.)
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I am glad to hear I'm not alone. I was beginning to think my eyes were going bad. When I read all the comments in the screen grab section about how amazing the clips look, I was feeling like I should set up an appoinment at the optometrist. However I do look forward to seeing some images from an adapter/lens combination that will truely deliver some sharp images.
 
I must admit that I, too cannot really see the big benefits of the 35mm adapters.


[Rantmode on:]

First:
HVX is a videocamera - with some filmlook (or maybe rather: nicelook) features, for sure - but @ the end of the day - a videokamera

Secondly
Is video all that bad?
When did that happen?

Hey guys, where do you watch your movies?
TV sets?
Internet?
Big screen?

Third:
If you really, really, really want that shallow DOF, just open your aperture and frame (OK, you may need some room -;)

Fourth
I really love the resolution and performance of the HVX, but the kit itself is so far from a filmcamera in every measurable and viewable way.
DVCPRO HD lowlight performance is an issue. It's a codec and not camera issue. Panasonic loves to say no, and it is very overcomeable. But it's an issue. Like red color in DV. (You'll get better lowlight performance but still a lot of noise in the semi-darks with any DVCPRO HD camera I've seen footage from: HVX, Varicam, HDX 800, HDX 900)
But is that all bad? I think not!
They all make lovely images, you just have to adjust to their pros and not their cons.


And this DOF craze!
I really see the point of shallow DOF in some situations - but shallow DOF doesn't make a film a "Film". And shallow DOF definitely didn't make the magnificient "large" images from "Ran" (Kurosawa), Gandhi or even "Modern Times" - all shot for the big screen AFAIK.

If you need 35mm performance from optics to response - well then you're gonna have to shoot 35mm

[Rant mode off]

Does this make me an HVX hater?
Not at all!
really, really love it.

Paying my bills with it.
Buying me a Red -;)

I just don't see why I should make it something it isn't.
It's a fantastic tool. But no tool fits all needs!

Gunleik
 
A little "luxury" UV-Filter solution is the Heliopan SH-PMC Filter for about 150 USD. This filter is 14x coated and seemed to me just "good enough" for the precious HVX-lens. Heliopan also manufactures "normal" UV-filters, but I prefered the SH-PMC one...

The multicoated filters from Heliopan are designed to bare without problem regularly cleaning - the last of the 7 coatings per side is by the way water- and "dirt rejecting" - or how ever you'd call it...

Some photographers report directly visible better pictures with this filter and I just trust the well known (over here) reputation of Heliopan. It's a german enterprise but its filters are beeing sold over all the world....

An explanation of the difference between "normal" coating and multicoating of Heliopan filters can be found (in German) here:

http://www.heliopan.de/produkte/verguetung.html
 
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FilmBoy77 said:
i need to get a lens filter on my hvx but i am stalling because i wanted to know if there is a major tradeoff between getting something a little more pricey like this HOYA filter or some cheaper ones i found on B&H's website????
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The Hoya filters with 12 layer coating (S-HMC) are slim and good filters, no front female thread in these, so no stacking. You can go with the Hoya Pro1 filters ( also multi coating + front thread). These Hoya filters are in any way the same in quality as the B&W MRC. The 72mm Pro1 Circ Pol version is E 105,-

The 82mm Hoya Circular Polarizer S-HMC Thin Filter is $260,-
Expensive.
 
Anyone have a picture of the B+W 82mm UV Haze 010 Glass filter? How does this connect on to the HVX?

I do not much about filters so any help would be appreciated
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]B+W 82mm UV Haze 010 Glass Filter[/FONT]
 
I don't have a picture but I can higly reccommend the B+W MRC 010. It has a nice heavy feel to it, like good quality glass should have. Filters and lenses will affect things like contrast on your image so you will want the best glass to put on the front of your HD lens. The HVX has a German made lens (Leica) so it only makes sense to use the German filter, B+W. Some photographers don't llike to mix German and Japanese glass and lenses becuase of how they are made, producing a very slight difference in look.

It connects to the HVX very easily. Just remove the lens hood and screw the filter on the lens by holding the camera vertically. Be very carefull that you have removed all specs of dust on the HVX lens before you attach the filter. After that's done, attach the lens hood back onto the HVX.
 
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I worked yesterday with a videotech who does lots of HD with good monitors and more expensive cameras. He said he has really noticed the difference when people put cheap glass i front of their camera. unfortunately Tiffen is not generally considered HD quality these days. So I think it does matter.

I have heard different things about how important extra coating is on the good glass like Heliopan and B+W and would like to hear more.
 
Lenilenapi said:
He said he has really noticed the difference when people put cheap glass i front of their camera.
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Yep. It makes very little sense to spend $6,000 for an HVX with a vaunted Leica lens, and then cripple it by putting a $10 piece o' crapola filter in front of it!
unfortunately Tiffen is not generally considered HD quality these days. So I think it does matter.
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It definitely matters. I don't use Tiffen screw-in filters, but their reputation in drop-in 4x4 filters is better IINM. I usually use Schneider for drop-in, and B+W (which is actually the same company IINM) for screw-in.
 
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Okay, B&H has these two filters listed. The first is $64.50 and the second is $103.50. Can someone please tell me what the difference is (other than $39)?[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hoya 82mm Haze UV(0) (S-HMC) Super Multi-Coated Glass Filter $64.50[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hoya 82mm UV Super Multi-Coated (S-HMC) Glass Filter $103.50[/FONT][/FONT]
 
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