Sorry but the Schoeps shotgun does not compare

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Gregg

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I spend about a half hour testing the shotgun next to a hyper.

Before I came over the sound man said "The shotgun souds soooo much better than the hyper that it does not even compare".

Well, the hyper sounded better inside a live room indoors. (of course) And he agreed that it did sound better but was because we were indoors.

I figured the shotgun would sound better outdoors but I swear to you that the hyper still sounded better.

The shotgun is owned by a pro sound man. We had them hooked into a SD mixer.


The shotgun just does not have the sweet Shoeps sound. The shotgun DOES sound great but it gets smoked by the hyper in a side by side test. And by "smoked" I mean it sounds about 10% better.

And yes, I had him play with all the settings on the mic to make sure things were equal.
 
Not surprising since a shotgun is *not* the optimal choice in a controlled indoor shoot. A shotgun sacrifices smooth and rich tonality of a cardioid for side rejection. A hyper or a straight cardioid is usually a better choice indoors.
 
Barry_S said:
Not surprising since a shotgun is *not* the optimal choice in a controlled indoor shoot. A shotgun sacrifices smooth and rich tonality of a cardioid for side rejection. A hyper or a straight cardioid is usually a better choice indoors.
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Yes, but even outdoors the Schoeps hyper sonded better. And everyone has been saying that the shotgun sounds better.

I think they just like to justify buying a new $1,800 mic.
 
The CMIT is a rather controversial mic. Few have doubts it is the best sounding shotgun but as to whether it is worth all that dough remains to seen. Pretty much everyone that has one had to pre-order it so they did not have a chance to test before they bought. So there is probably a lot of buyers justifying their purchase but from the few times I have heard it, it is damn sweet.

If your budget won't allow it a 416 is just fine. If you got cash to blow you can't do better.

Cheers
 
I'm kind of going through the same thing right now with some local pros. There are a lot of soundguys who say a Sanken cs3e will do interiors (and that's a shotgun by the way)... well since I've been using this mic for a little while now I'm finding that it won't do any more interiors then my 416 could do. Does the Sanken have more rejection then the 416? Well so far I can't tell... but I do know that in some interiors it gets that upper mid-bass bloom that shotguns get indoors... and the really sensitive guns just sound like total crap all the way around indoors. So anyway... that's my take on that... this is a crazy thing to witness... a few years ago all this crap was a mystery and we're still in the dawn of open-source info about sound. One thing I can guarantee you is that human nature is not unbiased... some people need validation that they've made the best choice... and if they don't get it they'll manufacture it themselves.

I'm not saying that Schoeps isn't the best shotgun available... I really don't know... but it wouldn't surprise me if some soundguys put all their eggs in that one basket and then refuse to objectively consider anything else.
 
matt (and everyone else), heres a question/situation ive been wondering about for a while: you have a cs-3e and an oktava. you have a moderately live interior. headroom will generally allow a mic to get within 2 feet of the mouth of the speaker. what would you go for?
 
I have doubts if people are even reading my post. I not knocking the shogun AS as shotgun. I am saying that it does not sound as good as they hyper.

Seems everyone who has purchased the shotgun say that it sounds better than the hyper. I disagree.
 
Gregg,

I agree with you. In certain situations, the hyper is the way to go. I did a side by side shootout when the CMIT came out, and one of the mics I had next to it was the CMC6, and this was indoors. They sounded very similar, but they hyper was a little smoother indoors.

Now, I think the CMIT is the best sounding short shotgun ever. However, the question is....Is it really worth it? With mics like the 416, CS3e, KMR81 (my other personal favorite)...that all sound really good for a lot less money, is the schoeps worth it? I don't know. I think if you are one of the few guys that works on $100 million features, sure. But if you are like most people, I'm not really sure.

-Dave
 
Gregg said:
I have doubts if people are even reading my post. I not knocking the shogun AS as shotgun. I am saying that it does not sound as good as they hyper.

Seems everyone who has purchased the shotgun say that it sounds better than the hyper. I disagree.
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"Doesn't sound as good as the hyper?" I reviewed the CMIT for several trade magazines.
Giving the CMIT its due. It sounds VERY much like the cmc641, so when you change mics the sound will be very similar. So I don't know what you mean by "better."

Sure you can put it up inside a normal room against a Schoeps cmc641 and the farther away you get, the worse they both sound. The CMIT will fall apart first. That distance, btw, is about two feet in the worst of slappy regular rooms.

When used as it's supposed to be used, outside and on sound stages, the CMIT is pretty friggin' awesome.

The EQ is very helpful when trying to get rid of LF noise and after putting the mic in a windbreakker.

Regards,

Ty Ford
 
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