FRAME DOUBLING when editing 59.94 into a 23.98 timeline

sweetcutz

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I'm cutting a multicam HVX shoot in FCP 5.0.4 using footage that recorded to P2 cards and the Firestore. The timeline is set to 23.98fps. Most of the footage recorded by the Firestore (@59.94fps) drops into the 23.98 sequence seamlessly by knowing what frames to drop in the progressive 2:3:2:3 pattern so that the timeline displays 24 progressive frames. However, for some of the 59.94fps clips FCP doesn't know how to drop the extra frames in the 2:3:2:3 cadence to get 23.94fps. The result in the 23.98 timeline is a doubling of every other frame, which looks like a 2:__:2:__ cadence.

This problem will occur when a clip is continuous but broken up by the Firestore DOS OS- meaning that the previous clip can be cut into a 23.98 sequence successfully and the next clip that is continuous will have frame doubling. It also can occur with a clip that is created independently and not continuous.

Frame doubling in the 23.98 timeline repeats if I re-import the problematic clips through the P2 Import. The problem also repeats if I export the problematic clips at their native frame rate from a 59.94fps sequence to try to create new clips with no association to the original metadata files.

Through testing I developed a solution to the frame doubling problem by exporting these clips with more than a few frames of black at the head of the clips from a 59.94 sequence, then importing the new FCP movies (@59.94). When these new clips are cut into a 23.98 sequence, only then does FCP recognize how to handle the cadence of the 2:3:2:3 pattern, dropping the extra progressive frames in order to end up with 23.98 fps.

Does anyone recognize this problem of frame doubling? Can anyone recommend an easier solution than exporting and re-importing the clips? I have way too much footage for this lengthy work-around.
 
I have tried using the DVCPRO HD frame converter to get around the problem of the 59.94 footage. This works nice but it has a few drawbacks. It does take care of the problem of frame doubling by making a new clip @ 23.98fps. However, it does not bring audio over from the 59.94 clip when it makes the new 23.98 clip. Another draw back is that you can only convert one clip at a time and I have MANY clips to deal with. One final drawback is theoretical, but if one wanted to frame convert a gang of clips, you'd better make sure you have enough memory.

Between the original metadata files from the shoot, the FCP movie files that are created upon importing, and the memory one will need to frame convert... is this new tapeless format supposed to be easier on editors???
 
Apple acknowledges that FCP 5.0.4 has issues with DVCProHD -- I would strongly recommend that you upgrade to 5.1.2.
 
Thanks, THoff. I was afraid of the "upgrade" answer.

Apple should provide an upgrade for FREE if they are correcting for such problems.
 
What am I missing here- as the point upgrades are free? (5.0.4 - 5.1.2). Unless you are changing platforms to the universal version of the program, there is no charge I thought ... Could be wrong tho, as I bought mine at 5.1 ....
 
Going from 5.0 to 5.1 is a $49 Cross-Grade. 5.1 adds new features and fixes bugs. Going to 5.1.2 from 5.1.0 is free, and introduces even more enhancements and new features.

5.1 is WAY more than just an Intel Mac compatable version. WAY more than that.
 
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