Premiere or Vegas?

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Moojangles

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Hey people,

I know there are specific places on this forum for each editor and i've looked through them but i figured that they might be a little biased in each perspective forum so i'm throwing this here.

I also understand this is probably a common topic so i'm sorry if its mundane/redundant.

I started editing long ago with early versions of premiere, (pre 5 i believe) and i have a copy of premiere pro2 that i have played with to some degree but i've recently gotten access to vegas and have edited with that for the past few projects to try it out.

I'm just curious what peoples opinions are of the both of them, i don't find either to be all that difficult in general usage though i am somewhat more familiar with premiere and am used to the tools but haven't run into any problems with Vegas.

The main thing i'm curious about is pro's and cons for 24p editing. This is the first time i've done any kind of filmic-like work and want to use the best tools possible for PC. Does one or the other offer better color correction for example or some other determining factor that made you choose that specific NLE?

i appreciate any advice.

thanks,
BRAD
 
In the DV world, nothing handles 24p better than Vegas. If you want hassle-free 24p editing, Vegas is what you want. It is simply the NLE which is best-integrated with the DVX.

For an overview, check this out: www.david-jimerson.com/Vegas24pBasics.zip

I'll say that PP 2.0 vastly improved its 24p handling, though. It's not as good as Vegas, but it's better than most of the others at it.
 
Choosing an NLE is a difficult choice due to the fact that until you fully learn one, you are really unqualified to comment on it. Knowing two competing ones at a level of high competency is something that few individuals have invested the time to achieve. I know a number of users that like Vegas, I myself use PPro 2.0 and love how well it co-exists with all the other Adobe products that I use (AE, Encore, Illustrator, PhotoShop, Audition, PageMaker, etc). The cross platform is very seamless. I never experienced any 24p issues with Premiere (started with it at version 1.5.x) and the feature set added to 2.0 is really nice.

I know that you can download a full trial version of PPro and assume that the same is true of Vegas. Try one out, then the other, but don't expect to fully master either within the time frame of the trial period.
 
In the DV world, nothing handles 24p better than Vegas. If you want hassle-free 24p editing, Vegas is what you want. It is simply the NLE which is best-integrated with the DVX.
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good to hear! i just got a DVX100b and have been using Vegas for years. looking forward to doing some editing with it now.
 
Lil Blu Bunny said:
good to hear! i just got a DVX100b and have been using Vegas for years. looking forward to doing some editing with it now.
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You're gonna like it (in fact, you're not going to notice a workflow difference). I was in the same situation as you are. I had been using Vegas for about 3 years before I got my DVX.
 
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I first started using Vegas because it would run on the pocket calculator I called my main computer - I started with Premier 4 but the Pro versions needed more horsepower than I had to cut with at home.

Flash foward a couple of years and I have a much faster computer and I stayed with Vegas. I found it about 2x faster to cut and composite in Vegas (and I find the rendering much faster still).

I do a lot of basic compositing in Vegas and spend less time in After Effects (a huge time saving).

I didn't like the switch to a more 'Avid' like setup on the Pro version - I could see why they did it, but I wasn't as keen.

I like that Vegas has not locked itself into the two tape machine (A/B) timeline paradigm.

Giving each clip it's own track (with no penalty) lets me do more in the way of filtering and adjusting smaller elements within the edit without the ripple effect.

It's a smart paradigm and a breeze to get deep with.

My two pesos.
 
i'm still exploring vegas and will be for some time i'm sure but i'm enjoying it overall, it seems to be a great tool, just like anything it needs the proper invesment of time.
 
Between Vegas and Premiere...Vegas is better.

But, vegas compared to any other serious NLE's, vegas is a toy.
 
such as? FCP? I don't use a mac and don't plan on using one. What other PC alternatives are there? AVID?
 
I'm using Premiere Pro 2.0. The color correction tools are far superior to any other version of Premiere. And it's the most stable version I've ever used. It all comes down to workflow and what your comfortable with.

And I've used all the "serious" editors, Avid, FCP, and I prefer the toy, Premiere.

-Kevin
 
Sacksnack said:
I'm using Premiere Pro 2.0. The color correction tools are far superior to any other version of Premiere. And it's the most stable version I've ever used. It all comes down to workflow and what your comfortable with.

And I've used all the "serious" editors, Avid, FCP, and I prefer the toy, Premiere.

-Kevin
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i just gave premier pro 2 a try, and have been having the most ttrouble with the new updated CC.

i really really really became acustomed to premier pro 1.5 style of CC with the gamma, pedestal, and gain for each color in bar form.

along with the hue saturation and level bars. Help someone! im soo disoriented!
 
I've been using Vegas since I was 11 with no problems at all. Love the workflow, the low system requirements and the great CC tools. I've tried PP, but never really got into it because I'm not nearly as comfortable with the adobe-style-interface.

I'd say go for Vegas. :)
 
im a Vegas fan, been using it since version 4. but i have thought about moving to Avid, or purchasing a Mac and using FCP. But that is going by the assumption that they are better and offer more, a step up, i guess.

ive also thought about trying out Adobe After Effects....anyone got opinions on that software? Is it worth purchasing without having a "known" need for it?
 
If you don't feel "held back" or limited in some way by Vegas, I couldn't justify the extra expense of Avid or FCP. They're all pretty similar, so it's not like you're missing out on something, because you're not.

As far as After Effects goes, I haven't used it since Vegas added the keyframeable bezier masks to the timeline. I have no need for it.
 
dasonras said:
But, vegas compared to any other serious NLE's, vegas is a toy.
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Such as . . . ?

I'll repeat what I said, because what I said was within the scope of the original poster's question, which was, which is better for 24p editing with the DVX?

NOTHING is better than Vegas for that. No NLE is better-integrated. I don't say that because I use it. I use it because it's true.
 
I've used only Premiere Pro 1.5 for two years and I love it! I've never owned a Mac, but I'd love to learn FCP. I'm a film student and the systems at school are all Macs! Editing has not yet been 'covered' at school but I'm sure once it is I will have a fairly stable understanding of FCP. I own Vegas, but I still can't figure out how to scroll through the timeline fast... when I scroll it goes about -100mph across the board!!!

That being said, I know I'm overlooking something. So anyways, case in point, I'm a premiere user... the seamless integration with AE, Photoshop, Encore, Audition... Adobe makes it so easy! So smart!!
 
I'm surprised by all the Vegas users. I've only had a passing familiarity with it so I can't comment, except to say that compared to the extensive Premiere experience I have, I always thing of Vegas as a low-end editor.

I've used Premiere since 5.01, and while the "Pro" versions took me some time to get used to, I now can't imagine life without them. Someone mentioned this earlier, but with all things essentially being equal, Premiere has the advantage of beging fully intgrated with other Adobe products.

I'm big on AE and Encore DVD and the ability to use all the projects interchangibly is a huge boon to my workflow.

I compare that to the integtration that Apple has attempted with it's Studio Pro products (I use FCP extensivly in my for-hire work), which isn't nearly as good.

As for the person who had trouble upgrading from P to PP because of A/B editing: I never, ever use A/B editing in Premiere Pro, and I don't have to. You must be stuck on some default settings...

As for 24p editing, I don't know what people are talking about, but PP is fully integrated for 24p, both standard and advanced pulldown, as early as "pro" version 1.0. I can't imagine how you can be "more" integrated than that, but again, I haven't used Vegas enough to know.
 
I think a lot of people in the past have thought of Vegas as a "low end" editor, but that impression has never survived familiarization with it. Most people going into it with that impression have usually had their jaws hit the floor.

While Premiere has vastly improved its implemention of 24p since the earliest versions, and 2.0 handles it well, Vegas has only ever had one version of its 24p implementation, because it got it right the first time . . . and it was first to do it with the exception of in-sync's Blade (which doesn't exist anymore).

In my opinion, caputring and working with 24p should be as easy as capture, drop, edit, not worrying about settings of any kind. Vegas has always done this. PP 2.0 has finally gotten to the point where it does this for the most part, but it's been something of a tough slog getting there from earlier implementations.

While PP 2.0 has almost perfected its 24p capture and pulldown removal (and it really does a great job) , in my opinion, PP 2.0 still lags behind in some critical areas, not the least of which being 24p output. As of July, the latest version of 2.0 could not output a file with 2:3 pulldown flags inserted, only as 2:3:3:2 pulldown or straight DV. Nor was its deinterlacing quite as good as it could be, especially considering it appears to have only the option of blending fields instead of interpolating them, producing ghosting around moving objects if you attemot to, say, convert 60i to 24p.

Vegas, in contrast, is the only NLE which will not only convert 60i to 24p, but will also give you your choice of field interpolation and pulldown schemes. In fact, it'll convert ANYTHING to 24p and give you every possible output option.

It'll even do it from any timeline, any timebase, any format.

Just a few points. I'm not picking on you; just responding to some of the things you said.
 
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