Important Message For All Horrorfest Filmmakers!

TimurCivan said:
And BTW were not getting 5, 10+ Votes. it mostly just me and mark. the crew had their own films to make and vote for. SHawn for example. He helped me pull focus. he has his own movie to vote for. and he probably wouldnt mind winning himslef.
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But it would also be in his best interest if you guys won also.
 
TimurCivan said:
And BTW were not getting 5, 10+ Votes. it mostly just me and mark. the crew had their own films to make and vote for. SHawn for example. He helped me pull focus. he has his own movie to vote for. and he probably wouldnt mind winning himslef.
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Well you know, there is also a difference between being "involved" (committed) with a film and helping out on set one day (while still having your own film). I'd say those people should be allowed to vote.

Think about Sin City. Would anybody say Tarantino made Sin City?

These people had less involvement than Tarantino had in Sin City.

If you helped out with another film and still have your own, I think it should be fine to vote on the other films.
 
All this talk is why they don't vote in real film festivals.
The ONLY way that really works is to have an unbiased, unaffiliated panel of judges who discuss the films and come to a consensus on the winners. But, even that's not "fair."
 
Either way, more than 1 person taking part in a film and voting/not voring on it will still be unfair.

For instance, if there are 5 people who worked on one film, they all vote 10... everyone else only gets to vote on their film once... now THATS not fair. In the same regard, if those 5 people DON'T vote... then they are short 5 votes. -- Either way it is unfair if more than one person worked on a film. WHICH is why only the director should 1) get the prize and 2) not vote (or vote) for themselves.

And again, I still think it's petty to argue like this. I had fun, and I'm not relying on winning this fest to find my next meal.
 
luster said:
All this talk is why they don't vote in real film festivals.
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Waddausayin'? Horrorfest ain't real?? :)

Voting on film festival entries almost NEVER is done by film submitters; DVXuser is kinda unique there...well, there's others like it too of course, especially many online festivals.
But another option would of been to do the exact opposite; to have ONLY members vote who DIDN'T work on, nor submit a film.

I can somewhat see the logic in not allowing voting of one's own movie, although like Aram, I agree it was a little late for that announcement.
 
The bottom line is you don't change the voting rules 48 hours before the vote is to be tallied. That seems a blatant attempt to sway things. And, again, if more than one DVXer worked on a film, then disallowing those people from voting -- or rating, if you prefer -- puts that film at more of a DISadvantage than the potential advantage allowing them to vote/rate could create. Even if a filmmaker managed to build a coalition of people who worked on their film, and each member of that crew decided to give it 10s across the board, then just call that another marketing strategy, and proactive marketing was ENCOURAGED in this fest (a new rule put into effect at the BEGINNING of the fest, not in the 11th hour). It's just another guerilla marketing tactic like trotting out BTS shots and teasers with your poster and pimping your thread. (And I submit it is unlikely that crew members would give a film 10s across the board -- even though I fully support the notion of giving your own film high marks if you want to). Finally, let's take crew members out of the picture and say only the filmmaker(s) listed as the submitting filmmaker couldn't vote... That still means that films like ours (5B), Bloody Mary, Rekindled and others lose two votes while films with only one submitting filmmaker gain an extra vote from the pair that couldn't vote on their own film.

Absolutely true that if this were run like a real film fest, none of us would be rating the films. But it's not. Like the Academy Awards, Emmys, Grammys, etc., the membership that is eligible to vote is free to vote for themselves, and that is the same practice that has been observed here. I am not angling to win, but I object to not being able to support my own work. That's just ludicrous and, to bring this full circle, not the standard that this fest started with. If this is to be made a rule for the future, fine, but without a doubt it is DEAD WRONG to institute such a big change at the voting deadline. If the Academy for Motion Picture Arts and Sciences tried to make a change like this in the 11th hour for the Oscar ballots, it would be the top story on every news network talk show.
 
for the last fest, just so everyone knows, I never counted the filmmakers score in the tally.. so the rules never really changed, just Brandon made it sorta public.

and it doesnt matter if there was 5 or 10 people that worked on a film.. the votes get averaged across all votes of that film, not of all votes total.

It was changed because I noticed that people were teaming up on films, and having 4 people vote 10s for their movie out of 30 ballots did skew the results.
 
Jarred Land said:
for the last fest, just so everyone knows, I never counted the filmmakers score in the tally.. so the rules never really changed, just Brandon made it sorta public.

and it doesnt matter if there was 5 or 10 people that worked on a film.. the votes get averaged across all votes of that film, not of all votes total.

It was changed because I noticed that people were teaming up on films, and having 4 people vote 10s for their movie out of 30 ballots did skew the results.
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This doesn't make sense to me, particularly that the rules of voting suddenly changed in the midst of tallying the ballots last time -- especially since it wasn't disclosed publicly at the time. Furthermore, since the inception of the DVX Fests, starting with the first one (Make a film around the theme "Do you ever feel like you're being watched?") filmmakers were told they COULD vote for their own films. So it seems a bit disingenuous to suggest it wasn't a rule change -- it just wasn't an announced rule change. But it seems that any logic on this issue is falling on deaf ears.
 
Yeah! He's like the GREAT WIZARD OF DVXUSER! lol :thumbup:

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Sorry....I couldn't help myself. No offince intended:Drogar-Evil(DBG):
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hey mameragex, honestly, i didnt like the movie as a movie, but you have a real talent with the effects and animation there, you should be proud of the artistic skills you have. Keep at it! I would like to see some other stuff you got.

ANyways, to stay on topic, my ballot is missing a few movies, i just couldnt find them to download. Mirrors went down, and the 1 mirror that is up is missing them as well. Also its impossible to guess the names of some of the files since some arent named entirely correctly. atleast im guessing they arent. Anyways, i did the best i could and only have 8 minutes left.

the few that i couldnt find, im sorry, so please dont count them as zeros when you tally them up, just dont count my average for those movies.

Ill write specifics in the email when i send you the ballot jarred. Thanks guys.
 
E-Mailed mine in at either 11:59 or Midnight as well. At least it went in seconds before a post I put up in another thread that stated 12:00am, so hopefully it's good ... however, then I read this that stated to not have scores in our film.

Sorry Jarred/Brandon ... I had read another thread that pretty much looked like everyone was throwing 10's across the board on theirs in hopes of them all canceling out? I'd never done that in any other fest previous to this, but didn't want to be at a disadvantage in this one if everyone else was doing the same. Oh well, over & done with.

Now I can just casually watch the few I've not gotten to yet & still at least comment on them.
 
I'd encourage anyone who's a hair behind to still send your ballots in.
Barry_S is in D.C. he probably won't look at these until miñana.
Worst case scenario he doesn't count your ballot.
 
Yeah I sent one in already incase it was a hard deadline and because people get so bent out of shape over everything, but I have like 7 films so I'm gonna send another and ask to have em swapped.

Can't see that it's not in everyone's best interest to have the largest sampling possible, so don't see how late ballots could hurt especially since we can't vote on our own films.
 
Still have at least 5+ to go ... I'm on a marathon to watch all I can now in hopes of being able to swap out the ballot. Only one so far am I really wishing I'd watched sooner, as it surprised me how good it was, considering I'd not heard about it before.
 
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