Important Message For All Horrorfest Filmmakers!

msmanhattan said:
What is the point of voting if you can't vote for yourself?
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??? are you serious?

Anyways, it's a little different when your talking about 4 or 5 actors up for the same oscar. Or if you're talking about a presidential office where there are 100 million people voting. And no, you are not allowed to vote for yourself in all voting instances. This is one example :)

Besides, if 70 something films all vote for themselves, that can make a dent in the effort to handle the balloting fairly. And if 70 something films all vote for themselves, that is pretty much the same thing as if those 70 something films can't vote for themselves... But not everyone will vote for themselves... Why is this a discussion, honestly? There are big prizes being given away here. An HVX to the winner? Hello, that is a big deal, why even risk doing something like this that could potentially have a negative effect on the accuracy, legitimacy and outcome of the voting process.

Next we'll have people demanding an independent recount, etc, etc. "Jarred is bias towards the other moderators who entered films..." or something.

This isn't little league. Everybody doesn't get a turn. May the best man win.
If you don't have a reason to vote because you can't vote for yourself, then why vote at all, is right. You shouldn't if that is your way of thinking.

What happened to the line of thinking that people wanted to enter, to better their skills, practice, get experience, collaborate, provide and receive feedback, etc., etc. You know, all those personally rewarding reasons...

Why doesn't every film just get 1 vote from the get go, and then, no, you can't vote for a film that you played a hand in making. This way people who just want to vote for themselves get that vote.

Sorry for my rant :)
Jason

* and how bout this. If you played a secondary role in making a film, you can mark your ballot with an asterisk, vote for whoever you like, and let the powers that be decide whether to include your vote on the film you collaborated on.
It is my understanding that it is not the film with the most votes, it is the film with the highest average score (provided that film received a significant enough number of votes)
 
Aram Bauman said:
By that logic Bloody Mary loses 5 votes BUT every other film gets 5 extra votes from the people of Bloody Mary. Last fest, Jack had the same 5 people working on his film Bone hand, I'm sure everyone that worked on it probably gave it 10s. Now another film is in that same position and its going to get screwed. But bottom line, all the films that had more than one person from here working on it loses those votes but the other films gain those extra votes. The rules shouldn't change right before voting either.
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Except you aren't voting FOR; you are rating.

Complete difference. In fact, the fact you are saying this will hurt the makers indicates that you are saying they will vote for their film to be the top.
 
yes, so how would a film with five collaborators be losing 5 votes? That is like saying that you are intending on giving your film 10's across the board, in which case your vote should be null and void.

*sorry Virum. I wasn't seeing your entire post for some reason. I just repeated you :)
 
Virum said:
Except you aren't voting FOR; you are rating.

Complete difference. In fact, the fact you are saying this will hurt the makers indicates that you are saying they will vote for their film to be the top.
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Why wouldn't you vote your own film, your baby to be at the top?
 
i think that just the director shouldnt vote... primarily because the director will get the prize... IMO. -- it's not that big of deal, guys... honestly. WE MADE MOVIES!!! How many people can say that?? HUH!?

I had a darned good time making my movie. Anyone else?
Who cares what I place... I had a blast and had a ton of fun.
 
thekyleman71 said:
i I had a darned good time making my movie. Anyone else? Who cares what I place... I had a blast and had a ton of fun.
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Thank you!!!



Why wouldn't you vote for yourself? When there is a 6,000 dollar camera to be given to the winner? Because, that is just tacky

Jason


* or Woman. My apologies :)
 
You should think more of your own work. The very first fest this came up and voting 10s for your own was just fine since everyone would do it, it would cancel everyones out anyways. Now we have where there are more than one eligible voters so thats not the case but its been fine until this fest. If the rules were to change it should have happened 3 months ago.
 
ok but wait. I was AC on Memories, 2nd Unit DP on "This death your captain speaking" and DP on Bloody mary.

Does this mean all my votes for these movies are void?
 
Things change. **** happens. If the fest never changed from its inception, there wouldn't be a fest right now probably. If the fest never changed, they wouldn't be giving away all of these kick ass prizes.

If you filmed one take for your film and never changed it, it would suck.

It's all in an effort to make the fest better.

The very first fest this came up and voting 10s for your own was just fine since everyone would do it, it would cancel everyones out anyways. Now we have where there are more than one eligible voters so thats not the case
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Right. now the case is that there is an increased chance of bias playing a role.

Jason
 
Right. now the case is that there is an increased chance of bias playing a role.
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Right, such as some films having 5 people able to vote 10s across the board and others only having 1.

That's why I think if you worked on a film you shouldn't be able to vote.

And I am proud of my work, but it doesn't deserve to be in the top 5. I don't know that it deserves to be in the top 10 either.

I'm objective and also recognize that I have huge room for growth. When there's an HVX as the prize I am not going to try to rate mine to the top to get it, that's not what this contest is about.

It sounds to me like you people who oppose it just don't want your advantage taken away. The ratings will be more accurate if people involved are not allowed to vote on their own film, provided that people aren't intentionally down-rating films just to win.

If anybody has done that I'd be severely disappointed.
 
Ramjet1979 said:
Right. now the case is that there is an increased chance of bias playing a role.

Jason
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Exactly. Thats what happened last fest so why the change now? And if I remember correctly, that conversation came up during shooting durung the last fest.
 
TimurCivan said:
ok but wait. I was AC on Memories, 2nd Unit DP on "This death your captain speaking" and DP on Bloody mary.

Does this mean all my votes for these movies are void?
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Again. I think a way to handle this could be:
In the even there is more than one collaborator on a film, and that person played a secondary role, there could possible be a way to mark your ballot as such, cast your votes as you intended, and let there be a mediator, Jarred or whoever is handling the vote tallying, to make the final call on whether to include your vote or not on the film(s) that you collaborated on.
But, why not just make it easy and not let anyone vote on any film they were in? It eliminates the possibility of bias, or for accusations to fly about there being bias. Period.

Jason
 
Ramjet1979 said:
Again. I think a way to handle this could be:
In the even there is more than one collaborator on a film, and that person played a secondary role, there could possible be a way to mark your ballot as such, cast your votes as you intended, and let there be a mediator, Jarred or whoever is handling the vote tallying, to make the final call on whether to include your vote or not on the film(s) that you collaborated on.
But, why not just make it easy and not let anyone vote on any film they were in? It eliminates the possibility of bias, or for accusations to fly about there being bias. Period.

Jason
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That would only work if they didn't vote for any of the films. This is because they tally all the votes and if Marks film has 10 votes but our film has 15 because of them not voting on theirs, ours might fair better because of volume of votes instead a quality. Why are you not seeing that?
 
But bottom line, why did the rules change just before the voting and AFTER we see how everyone is doing? That seems...just not right.
 
its more fair, for everyone to vote themselves a 10, and have your own 10 negate others 10 votes. than to have you not vote on 3 movies cause yo ushowed up on set to help a friend.
 
Aram Bauman said:
When was the meeting with everyone?
Does this mean flicks like Bloody mary loses 5 votes because 5 people from here worked on it. Did someone complain about something like that? I think for Bloody mary everyone should be able to vote except Mark because it skews the votes for his film big time if thats not the case.
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And BTW were not getting 5, 10+ Votes. it mostly just me and mark. the crew had their own films to make and vote for. SHawn for example. He helped me pull focus. he has his own movie to vote for. and he probably wouldnt mind winning himslef.
 
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