the WAITING KINDRED ---"A HORRIFYING MUST SEE MOVIE!!!"

As stated Versus. I didn't see it that way. He wrote it that way on purpose but you have to know the back story to understand this. I'm sure you can see lightness from his side and thats fine. but let anyone give you a review not on your movie but your skill as you are... And I'm sure you'll have the same reaction. I respect his opinion on my film. But don't act like you know my skill level as a whole. I have nothing against him. And I'm sorry Versus if this makes me look as if i'm salty with him, cause trust me I'm not! This goes back a little further than this post. i think he may have taken me wrong on a comment I made in a post he made prior to his review. But trust me....As a movie maker rate me all you will.... But don't take apart my skill and art craft level especially if nothing I see you have can compare! As with your review Versus, you came real with it and I respected that and accepted it. But he insulted me in a nice & nasty way, and if that's gonna be something sitting in my personal post so be it! Deal with my response! If I have lost some cool points with you by me defending myself then hay... I'm sorry you feel that way. As a filmaker I am respectfully new. But as an artist I am no joke! As for his comments and his post I'm through with It and have put it behind me.
 
Man I understood you took it personally coz he challenged your craft and I said that in my previous post. But for example, the music in my movie The Door Between is my brothers, he wrote it and performed in the last day of the deadline. I know how much he worked his a@@ and his work ROCKS the house in here in my opinion compared to most scores. So if someone came and said that the music is unoriginal etc etc and asked me to pm him for some advice, I would feel terribly bad for my bro and have STRONG objections and even say to myself 'what the f@@@ is he talking about' but its not my character to post my personal thoughts of this kind. I would try and reason and talk about it and dig more into his way of thinking to see where he's coming from. Just me...its not like me to go out like that unless it gets really out of control and see that the other guy is just trying to trash me and my stuff for no reason but his own pleasure....We're cool you and me
 
Yeah i see what you are saying. But just as well as he asked me to PM him after all he ad to say. If he felt he needed to teach me something then he should have PM'd me in the first place. That's when me and him can talk one on one if he feels he really needs to teach me something. But when you put it in my post...This is more of a place for everybody to see so it turns into more of a "hay look at me bash this guy in his own house!" Don't diss me in public then say "Hay if you got a response, lets do it in private" Thats just not right. But that's just me. And I'm glad to hear we're still cool Versus. i do value your opinions, cause they are usually well on point!

Thanks Bro:thumbup:
 
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Whoa! mameragex, slowdown. I wasn't expecting this kind of reaction because
I've been pretty hard with my reviews so far with pretty much everyone with
the exception of a few. Now, I do stand by my statements about your submission
and to lash out about mine is fine as well but, please put your review in my
thread.

There are a number of constructive criticisms that are worthy of discussion here and
ultimately that's what I offered in my post. If you feel that I'm attacking your skill,
that was not my intention but, imho the final submission does not match the hype
of the banner and poster.

Again I think my comments are justified and concise. Oh and btw, if you don't mind
me asking, what programs did you use on this project.


edit: sp on the word criticism
 
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No that wan't it at all Kholi. There is a bigger picture here and I don't think you caught it. As with your review, I had no problems with it. And when you said the reference to silent hill I was like whoa! let me see for myself and went and found that you are right! They do have a monster coming out of a wall too "not like mine but they do". I only played Silent Hill 1 but never made it to 4 so I didn't copy. But as with any movie, I'm sure there's gonna be something out there similar, including CANDY GRAM. But I had no problem with your review or his as pertaining to my movie. But this.. (Excuse me for assuming you are not a graphic artist Kholi) This guy has out right insulted me and my know how of graphics and software all together! He even went further to diss my poster when his could have been created in any cheap graphics app in five minutes! So trust me... I already know my movie wasn't complete! I know it was rushed! Telling me that is fine! You can say you don't like it all day and that's fine. I have no problem with that. I love honesty. A review will not make or break me. Cause just the same as you don't like it, there are another few billion people that will. But this...He's basically an FX artist who saw another FX artist, and tried a pathetic attempt to lower me to him. I'm glad he went to school and learned a little bit and now wants to prove it. But please.....Don't try to teach the teacher son you'll only look like a fool in the long run.

But thanks Kholi. Good reference to SH4 Now I'm gonna buy it to see if anymore of my dreams are in that game! lol Cause that where I got the idea from.:thumbsup:

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I think you're showing a bit more of that "vindictiveness" I had typed/spoken about. You continue to trod on his "skill" as an FX Artist and that's honestly not the way to continue on about it. I didn't see, anywhere in his post, where he's attempted to lower you to his level. I saw advice on adding value to your production. I'm sure you're a great VFX artist, and from what I can see from those tanks at the end of Inexsitence's short, he is also a great VFX artist.

And, it's cool for similarities to be present. My reasoning for bringing it back up was because Inexistence stated that it looked like a good portion was ripped from a video game, and I had stated exactly what video game that looked like. I didn't bring it up to throw it in your face, or to accuse you of "copying", because the greatest flattery of all is to "copy" or "imitate" your favorite things. I think that you throwing that weird Candy Stripers thumbnail up was a way of getting back at me. It's a kind-of small thing to do.

Maybe you took it way too hard. I hope that in the future you see honest criticism as a means to strengthen your presentational level.
 
Oh I'm sorry Kholi. Did that offend you in some way? Cause all I did was what you did, I wasn't trying to be bogus or trying to offend you in any way but only as to show you what I meant. There is always something that can be as similar to another. I thought it was cool that it reminded you or him of a video game and that doesn't bother me one bit. But as I said Kholi I think the whole thing was way over your head to see what I mean. But I hope you can now slightly understand my point be seeing your reaction to me simply posting a movie poster that has something to do with candy. Now let me had gone one further and reviewed your movie AND posted that poster in your own personal thread...... I wounder if your reaction would have been a little more like mine....Hmmmm i wonder. So please Kholi, I didn't reject your criticism or comparison, but you saw disrespect in my comparison example with no statement, What happened to "It being a compliment to be like something else"? Anyway look Kholi, I liked your review thought it was your complete honest review of what you thought of my film:thumbup:. I don't need a personal review of me or my skill.
:dankk2:
And as we continue on........
 
mameragex said:
Oh I'm sorry Kholi. Did that offend you in some way? Cause all I did was what you did, I wasn't trying to be bogus or trying to offend you in any way but only as to show you what I meant. There is always something that can be as similar to another. I thought it was cool that it reminded you or him of a video game and that doesn't bother me one bit. But as I said Kholi I think the whole thing was way over your head to see what I mean. But I hope you can now slightly understand my point be seeing your reaction to me simply posting a movie poster that has something to do with candy. Now let me had gone one further and reviewed your movie AND posted that poster in your own personal thread...... I wounder if your reaction would have been a little more like mine....Hmmmm i wonder. So please Kholi, I didn't reject your criticism or comparison, but you saw disrespect in my comparison example with no statement, What happened to "It being a compliment to be like something else"? Anyway look Kholi, I liked your review thought it was your complete honest review of what you thought of my film:thumbup:. I don't need a personal review of me or my skill.
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Yeah, you're still proving my point. I didn't see disrespect in your comparison. I saw you being childish. You went out and searched for something similar to prove a point that's universally understood. Do you even know what that movie is about? Have you watched any of it?

No, my reaction wouldn't have been anything like yours: I'm too professional to get angry when someone reviews my "skill". I've taken ass-rape with no grease over my screenwriting, and I'll continue to take it like a man; anyone serious about their craft would be open to the harshest critics. I saw no ill-will in Inexistence's review, and you're further showing your inability to be professional about something you're taking rather seriously.

Way over my head? Pfft. I'll leave you to your thread. Good luck in the future.

edit: for the record, Candy Gram never went into production. I'm not the type to showcase a half-hearted, quarter-finished effort. Best foot forward, and all.
 
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Stepping in....

When it comes to one's skill....I dont think you have to take it so personal. Ok, everybody has an opinion about himself and his depth of knowledge in some things...but still...no need to get mad about....you could have walked in the moon and somebody might say 'i could do that better, big deal'....cant you just keep the pleasure knowing you did that and not care if you dont want to open a discussion about the comment...

I still believe all this is a big misunderstanding and nothing more. I do believe that when someone puts himself open in public for comments and criticism he must expect that. And dude, you say you accept comment for the film but not your skill...this is a paradox IMHO....coz your movie reflects your skill or vice versa...so no matter what you, me, God thinks about your movie/skill, someone will have his objections...If I said 'the movie was not so good with its VFX' wouldnt that reflect to your skills in VFX?
 
I love the lines: "You better have no girls there or you're fired!"

Actually if he said :'the movie was not so good with its VFX' I think it would be normal, but guessing the tools and having suggestions I too consider it s offense. You can't speak like that if you don't know someone's background. I'm a vfx artist too but don't go over the threads giving instructions and lowering people. Mameragex work on the film is great, considering again the time he spent to accomplish it.
 
Steve_Arm said:
I love the lines: "You better have no girls there or you're fired!"

Actually if he said :'the movie was not so good with its VFX' I think it would be normal, but guessing the tools and having suggestions I too consider it s offense. You can't speak like that if you don't know someone's background. I'm a vfx artist too but don't go over the threads giving instructions and lowering people. Mameragex work on the film is great, considering again the time he spent to accomplish it.
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I did agree that tryings to guess what tools he used was a bit assuming. Well, very assuming, actually.

I don't think the rest of his review was off-base at all, though. And it didn't justify an attack on Inexistence's work; that just made it seem worse.

Sorry, I need to leave this thread alone. I suck.
 
I really liked the WAITING KINDRED - some of the best visual effects I have seen so far, totally original approach, great editing and sound design and a lot of fun.

And when I read the post about ''..I bet you used AE.." and all those left-handed offers to advise the filmmaker on more professional techniques, I got offended on behalf of mameragex. Don't get me wrong, I mean Inexistence's work was hilarious, much funnier to me than Draco was to Kholi. I just laughed and laughed at it. It was supposed to be funny, right? One piece of advice: I would suggest learning a little more about the effective use of fonts, as mamergarex suggested. I assume, Inexistence, you used Word for Windows for the titles, correct? Here is a good resource: www.fontsfordummies.com or let me know since I am a "real" professional graphic designer, I can help you out.

Bien sur, I am just kidding, but that's the pedantic and condescending tone I was picking up in the commentary. I would have been offended too.
 
Wow.

Wow.

Mameragex, I'm gonna take a line from Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and say "Chillll Win-ston!"

You're totally over-reacting. These people are trying to help you.

I'm a bit jealous of you right now actually. I wish more people would take the time to "insult my skills" and rip me a new asshole about my film.
 
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I'm a bit jealous of you right now actually. I wish more people would take the time to "insult my skills" and rip me a new asshole about my film.
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Careful what you wish for, my friend...

and

Yes, I agree - Draco was superb. I hope it wins the HVX.
 
Kholi said:
for the record, Candy Gram never went into production. I'm not the type to showcase a half-hearted, quarter-finished effort. Best foot forward, and all.
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Gee! He sounds angry! Well good luck to you too, with your clown movie and all. Sorry you took it that way buddy.

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If I said 'the movie was not so good with its VFX' wouldnt that reflect to your skills in VFX?
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Yes! But only on this film. And you and him would be intitled to that opinion. But it's different when you say "I know what program you used and I use it better than that, your stuff is choppy and don't use this graphic filter cause I know what it is, be more creative, don't tell me you did it by yourself and yo acting is comical and yo FX look childish, Why cause I'm serious about FX so PM me" Thats nothing more than a challenge. And this contest is challenge enough for me right now. Now I had already seen his movie and seeing that in my opinion his movie had nothing to do with Horror or extreme skill, I decided it would be best to not say anything to him at all about it. But look.... Lets narrow it down to this. If you like it cool. If you didn't cool. But please the last thing I need is a ton of mediation on a post between two other people. So if you have any personal guidance please PM me. Cause I don't feel like watching this stretch out further than it needs to. Cause as his opinions wont change, neither will my response. So thank ye all so helpful visitors. Truly I mean that. :dankk2:and nothing more.

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I was picking up in the commentary. I would have been offended too.
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THANK YOU SOO MUCH.
 
mameragex said:
Gee! He sounds angry! Well good luck to you too, with your clown movie and all. Sorry you took it that way buddy.
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Why'd you insult me?

No, but seriously- You've got to learn some tact. Industry's got no place for the tactless, I guarantee you.

I've got no insults for The Waiting Kindred, you'll do what you love and that's fine by I. Keep throwing your passive insults around, maybe you'll strike gold by insulting someone who might've been able to give you a chance to do something serious, instead of waiting around in hopes to win a camera.

Ja ne, minna.
 
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