Viewing, Voting & Reviewing - A Discussion

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I have posted my movie and sound track. If you download just the audio, you will need to save the file as when clicking on it and you will need to remove the .txt at the end to listen to it.

Other Wise you can just click on the picture and see the whole movie.

I think a movie should be 50% visual and 50% audio. You should be able to close your eyes and feel what is happening via the audio and vice versa if turn off the sound and watch the video.

I just can't see how 12 films had a better score then our film.

Thanks
Ben
 
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Hey Ben,

I don't know of 12 films, but in the Sci-fest competition I know of quite a few including one of the ones I scored (CPU, which came first) which had a fully original score that ran the length of the film. I agree with you on what you are saying - music and sound is very, very important...but your film was not the only one that had this feature.

EDIT: where is the link? Am I missing something or have you forgot to include it in your post?

Cheers.

-Chris
 
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Maybe he's just saying that his film placed 13th in the Score Category and he knows there weren't 12 full scores amongst the films that ranked above his.

To which, he is right, as mine did not have an original score. But now we get into that can of worms where we ask are we awarding filmmakers for the best USE of music and sound where ever they my find said music and sound, or are we awarding composers for best original music as it serves a film?

Of course the latter makes more sense, but without that explicitly stated what you get instead s a raw response from the ignorant audience as to what music they remembered and / or how effectively it was usesd - not totally worthless information if you care to examine it.
 
Hi Chris,

My point is not that we are the only one with an original Score, just that the voting by the users proved that either they did not watch the films or they need hearing aids ;)

But mostly that from the voting I saw, people gave the same score across the board for each category of a film, thus our film would get 5's or whatever number straight across. When one see's this, it makes one wonder if they really watched the film.

Like I said, if they wanted your film to score a 6, it got 6's in all categories.

Ben
 
Ok dude, to be honest, your film was fun, but not that good... also, the average score kind of evened out as some loved certain things and didn't like others...
 
Hi Jack,

Looking up the word Score...

" written representation of a musical composition showing all the vocal and instrumental parts arranged one below the other. • the music composed for a movie or play."

Adding music or sound that was found and not Composed is not "Scoring".

So does the average person reviewing these films know that definition? Probably not.

But I think the real issue is the lack of attention by the reviewers, its pretty obvious when all their scores are the same across each category.

In my mind, our film had stronger Audio then Video, but yet most scores did not show an up tick in the "score" department.

I just don't think you can rely 100% on the DVXusers judging for a fair shake.

Ben
 
Brandon Rice said:
Ok dude, to be honest, your film was fun, but not that good... also, the average score kind of evened out as some loved certain things and didn't like others...
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I am referring to our Musical Score.. Again, there is no way that it was 13th. Love or hate the visuals, or the subject matter... no way our score is that far down the list.

Ben
 
Hi Chris,

I like what you did musically for CPU, but were you going for a real orchestra sound in the Opening Theme? It sounded pretty synthy if thats a word.

Ben
 
good golly.. That just took frackin' 20 minutes of my time to read through all this. plus another 5 to write. eesh.

Shew.. To the point. I'm gonna watch them all. I busted my ass off this past month with many of the films in the competition and I've purposely have been eating awful to save my money for the next two weeks to take some time off. So yea. I've got a good feeling some of these will be utterly fantastic... and not so fantastic. I'll do my best to bare through the 'not sos', but if I can't take it... I can't take it and I'll shut down the QT. (like I did with the Milla Jovovich's movie, "The Messenger" along with "Brady Bunch The Movie". And... to be honest, I'll fast forward and probably get the point, see the lighting, watch enough of the acting and hear enough of the score to judge it's technical abilities. (just being honest)

It's going to be tough to watch them all, but I will give a valiant effort. If its good, It'll obviously capture me throughout the 6 minutes. If its an exhibition, i'll have to do some pre-prepping for those. (a few are exhibition films longer than 6 minutes) Alas.. take a leak-break, pop the corn, and get comfortable in my seat armed with a code red mountain dew.

lastly... The soundtrack issue. Dude. Some people like rap. Some like Classical. Some like the soundtrack to nature itself. Whoever has the best score is all relative to personal tastes in everyone here. Scores can also be the sound Design. Look at "Cast Away"... The first half of the movie was a pure bliss of sound FX genius. Even that was a biased opinion. Because I’m a composer… I’ll probably pay more attention to the music…. Or “Stingers” (which I feel most of these films will be chalked full of them to scaaaarrrrrrrreeee youuuuuuu)

now... to find my popcorn, sit back and watch all my new DVX friend's movies. :)

/j
 
bena said:
I am referring to our Musical Score.. Again, there is no way that it was 13th. Love or hate the visuals, or the subject matter... no way our score is that far down the list.

Ben
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Well then I say, no way OUR score was 21 on the list!
 
bena said:
Hi Jack,

Looking up the word Score...

" written representation of a musical composition showing all the vocal and instrumental parts arranged one below the other. • the music composed for a movie or play."

Adding music or sound that was found and not Composed is not "Scoring".

So does the average person reviewing these films know that definition? Probably not.

But I think the real issue is the lack of attention by the reviewers, its pretty obvious when all their scores are the same across each category.

In my mind, our film had stronger Audio then Video, but yet most scores did not show an up tick in the "score" department.

I just don't think you can rely 100% on the DVXusers judging for a fair shake.

Ben
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Hi Bena,

Looking up the word Score...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/score
 a.a written or printed piece of music with all the vocal and instrumental parts arranged on staves, one under the other.
b.the music itself.
c.the music played as background to or part of a movie, play, or television presentation."
Notice this one doesn't say jack **** about who wrote it when or why.

And your film isn't a a movie with a fully synced original score.

It's an original SCORE witha fully synced movie.

In other words, it would be a pretty cool piece of music with spoken word.

But your movie played like a a bunch of images taking up time between orchestra hits.

If your music doesn't serve the film/story, who cares if its any good or if it's original, stock, or written by robots.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
.... or written by robots.
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Arnie says... "I AM A MACHINE..."

nice post Jack. Scores can come in every shape, size, and decibal. Some just stand out more than others.

/j
 
Hey bena. Here's a sample bit from OUR SCORE....
www.noariceprod.com/apth.mp3

Now, yeah, it's synthy, but guess what, I asked Matt to go for that when he started scoring it. I wanted that X-Fileish synth feel to it. Regardless, the music is well orchestrated and fits the mood perfectly... now why didn't WE win best score??? LOL!
 
Edgen said:
Arnie says... "I AM A MACHINE..."

nice post Jack. Scores can come in every shape, size, and decibal. Some just stand out more than others.

/j
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Exactly,

But let me clarify with - EVERY SINGLE composer here is EXTREMELY talented, and we are so lucky to have them -- even the half-breeds like you Justin :)

But yeah my point is that it tells a story and the audience doesn't care and shouldn't necessiraly about where you get it.
 
Brandon Rice said:
Hey bena. Here's a sample bit from OUR SCORE....
www.noariceprod.com/apth.mp3

Now, yeah, it's synthy, but guess what, I asked Matt to go for that when he started scoring it. I wanted that X-Fileish synth feel to it. Regardless, the music is well orchestrated and fits the mood perfectly... now why didn't WE win best score??? LOL!
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Agk! ... Brandon don't buy into the madness :eek:
 
agh ok man, sorry... maybe I overreacted a bit bena, sorry man. My point is this though... there were a LOT of good scores... and not everyone can win... 13th place ain't bad outa 60+ films either.
 
Jack Daniel Stanley said:
-- even the half-breeds like you Justin :)
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HA!! Soo I'm a half breed eh?
Ya.. My mind is out there in right field. Occasionally Left Center.

I agreed with Brandon. 13th place out of 60 ain't bad at tall. Who was the composer for your film anyway Ben? And, is the clip online? I'm actually curious to watch your film after all this koboodlin'. (I stumbled into DVXuser during the HeroFest circa)

/j
 
Edgen said:
HA!! Soo I'm a half breed eh?
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yeah, lol halfbreed = filmmaker/composer
Edgen said:
And, is the clip online? I'm actually curious to watch your film after all this koboodlin'. (I stumbled into DVXuser during the HeroFest circa)
/j
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yah he put it in his post at the top of the previous page
 
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