Viewing, Voting & Reviewing - A Discussion

griffin said:
I'd ideally like to watch all the films once with out voting, then rewatch them and vote. I won't have the time to do that so I'll most likely watch them in order in which they are posted and vote as I go along. You should be able to edit your vote after you've voted. The fourth movie that's watched could be "really good" and given a 9. Then after you get up to 17, you realize that many others are equally quality with the 4th one watched which you gave a 9 too, making a 9 seem high for a film that doesn't stand out as much as a 9 should.

I plan on watching them all once and voting one way or another for the film, regardless of promotion. Some people don't have time nor the photoshop ability to come up with a stunning poster or banner. I through mine (unrelenting) together in about 15 minutes one afternoon and meant to make another, but didn't have the time. I don't think that lack of promotion means that people aren't as dedicated towards their 6 minute horror film than someone who made threads the first day and said basically nothing for a month. There were a lot of threads that were made early and have very little updates in them, 6 pages of worthless clutter than some BTS or stills or an update, then 8 more pages of clutter than a another shot. Things like that are keeping those threads at the top of the page and are seen 10 times a day. In actuallity it's not really promoting the movie and letting people know what is going on with it, so threads with 1948 pages doesn't necessarily mean they had the most movie related content in it promoting the movie.

I'm looking forward to all of movies, some more than others but I'm going to view them all and give an honest vote and possibly review. I'm hoping for some really good storylines.

In an unrelated note, if I have time tomorrow and think of something, I may shoot something. It probably won't have the best story, since I'll be making it up as I go along and I don't know how many actors/actresses I'll have.
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Absolutly 100% agree! I dont think you should have to go and bump your own thread to the top to get recognition for it. Its already rude to bump peoples threads down when unneccessary, and its NOT lazy and NOT being un initiated and its NOT being under excited and its NOT being un informative about your movie when you refuse to bump it because others are having conversations in their threads....
 
This is not pointed at anyone but is simply my understanding of promotion and the method I tried to employ:

Promotion is you putting yourself out there to get noticed. You either do or don't. It is not rude to promote, or bump your own thread. You have to walk the fine line of bumping for the sake of bumping and actually having what you say matter. The goal is to create a "buzz" which is conversation in your thread that keeps it rising to the top so it is seen. That can only be done with exposure. The goal is also to get people excited about your film and help them walk through the movie making process with you. This is my understanding of exposure. Some do it well and some do not. Some threads are filled with almost no updates and some are filled with gold. But in the end the goal is the key. Did you inspire people to go watch your movie? :thumbup:

Check out my thread here to kind of see what my method has led to.
Check out the first and last page to see some grabs. Some videos are further in.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=61833


I hope this helps some.
 
msconse. Well said. It is business afterall in this industry. And this seems a good lesson in the business of marketing and promotion for all involved in this horrorfest.

Jason

Nice plug at the end by the way :)
 
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Let's make a pact.

Let us vote for the movie we like the best. We were all fans before we were filmmakers.

I too, being new to this forum, believe there's a strong possibility this could turn out to be a popularity contest. And it's discouraging.

I'm also afraid the DP in most of the DVXUsers might impact the way they vote. Note: I didn't say "like," I said "vote." The crappily shot naked DVX100 movie in the port-a-jon might very well be more entertaining over the guy who dropped his 36-double-DVX out of a helicopter with a 35mm adaptor on while an anti-matter flubberized set of sticks breaks the fall.

Because that's what it's all about, how entertaining it is. Think way back - deep down, aren't we all just bigger kids?

If the shot entertains you, well then there you go. But if the shot simply makes us admire and say "whoa, how'd he do that" or "how'd he afford that" - it doesn't necessarily deserve the vote. You shouldn't vote as a DP, or a director, or even as an actor, you should vote as a viewer.

I'm not saying all it takes is a few teens, 2 cams and a forest makes the "better" movie. It's fk'd up, but remember, there's a generation of people who will always prefer, dare I say, "Blair Witch" over "The Shining."

At times, even the poorly shot, candy-ass, terribly acted movies are entertaining. One of my top 10 favorites is "Miracle Beach." I'd take that over "The Pianist" or "The English Patient" or "The Pompous Tribulations of the Eternal & Garrulous Chocolat Skyful Daylight Blindless" any day - and I love the scoffs I'd get in my classes when I'd say that.
 
Since this is my first fest film I'm hoping people will check it out and give me some feed back so I can make a better film next time.
 
Michael_Petro said:
Since this is my first fest film I'm hoping people will check it out and give me some feed back so I can make a better film next time.
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I'll be watching, and reviewing! :thumbsup:
 
i agree, sci-fest was a big lesson in "what not to do in a 6-min contest", so it helped alot.

personally, i watch the film, then rate it, then watch, then rate, repeat for 8 hours. I just have to make sure i remember to eat this time.
 
I can see where your coming from, Rubix in fact I think your right, some people have tons of money to throw around, but then let us not forget the people with sheer talent and dedication who can still leave you with saying "how'd he do that?" I am great at taking a $500 budget and making it look way higher then that. For example I did this project for exactly $500 The only things I paid for were the uniforms, airsoft guns, and food. I owned a dvx and a tri-pod I borrowed and pulled together my resouces for everything else including, hummer, locations, cab, jib, animorphic adapter, as well as bringing a talented dp and actors into the project. Everything else was edited and created from scratch. So before we say "well, that musta cost a nice bit of money", or "it must be nice to have that" and just completely write if off as a money factor, let's consider that there are those that will stop at nothing until it's perfect no matter what the budget.
 
I'd be willing to pitch in some money to the organizers so we can get DVDs of every movie made, even if it takes 6 of them.
 
Rubix³ said:
I'd be willing to pitch in some money to the organizers so we can get DVDs of every movie made, even if it takes 6 of them.
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yeah id like to see the films in full rez myself... 6 mins to 50 megs takes a good quality hit
 
avatuar said:
I can see where your coming from, Rubix in fact I think your right, some people have tons of money to throw around, but then let us not forget the people with sheer talent and dedication who can still leave you with saying "how'd he do that?" I am great at taking a $500 budget and making it look way higher then that. For example I did this project for exactly $500 The only things I paid for were the uniforms, airsoft guns, and food. I owned a dvx and a tri-pod I borrowed and pulled together my resouces for everything else including, hummer, locations, cab, jib, animorphic adapter, as well as bringing a talented dp and actors into the project. Everything else was edited and created from scratch. So before we say "well, that musta cost a nice bit of money", or "it must be nice to have that" and just completely write if off as a money factor, let's consider that there are those that will stop at nothing until it's perfect no matter what the budget.
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Oh definitely. In fact, my project costed me about the same for similar things (including a hummer), although I didn't get an anamorphic.

I'm not bitching at all about budget, it can be a very good thing. Both budget and lack thereof can add to the entertainment value of a movie.
 
msconce said:
This is not pointed at anyone but is simply my understanding of promotion and the method I tried to employ:

Promotion is you putting yourself out there to get noticed. You either do or don't. It is not rude to promote, or bump your own thread. You have to walk the fine line of bumping for the sake of bumping and actually having what you say matter. The goal is to create a "buzz" which is conversation in your thread that keeps it rising to the top so it is seen. That can only be done with exposure. The goal is also to get people excited about your film and help them walk through the movie making process with you. This is my understanding of exposure. Some do it well and some do not. Some threads are filled with almost no updates and some are filled with gold. But in the end the goal is the key. Did you inspire people to go watch your movie? :thumbup:

Check out my thread here to kind of see what my method has led to.
Check out the first and last page to see some grabs. Some videos are further in.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=61833


I hope this helps some.
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I have no problem with people wanting to create a buzz or bumping their thread up to stay near the top IF and only IF there is something new going on with their movie i.e. finished location scouting, storyboarding, posters, example clips, etc. That bumping them up when there is nothing to be said about the movie isn't needed. There are other ways to promote your movie. i.e. using a banner and posting on other peoples threads through out the whole site. I know all of Brandon Rice's movies that he has had on there because his posts are every where. Constant posting all over the website w/ a banner is a very effective way of getting publicity by not only the horrorfest audience but by anyone that may see a cool looking banner i.e. runaway. and click on it to see what it's about.
 
It would be interesting to add a notation as to the budget everyone spent on their film. More as an aside than anything else. Breakdowns would be cool as well, I am obviously speaking about round estimates. I think it would be interesting to know what was spent on tallent, props, food, etc.

GC
 
Because of the score card, we cannot simply vote for the film that we liked best. We must vote by category. For example: we have a score card with categories on it (Editing, Sound, Score, Cinematography, Acting, Script, etc. We then score out of 10 each of these categories. The categories are then added up into an overall score for that film and tallied to the right on the score card.

This makes it so each film can be competitive. maybe an amazing film visually did not have a very good story, but another had an amazing story and slightly lower quality visuals, they might balance out in the voting. This is how voting happened last time.


Also---on a side note----I noticed people were upset that conversation was occuring in the individual film forum. I do not understand this. Updates are not the only thing people want to see on your thread. They want to ask questions hear how to's, get to know you as a film maker. This is all used as promotion. Pointless dialogue about about what to eat that day, I can see as taking up space, but anything even semi related to film making is perfectly in line with that forums purpose.
 
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