Anyone Interested in a DV Rack like app for MAC?

Spartacus said:
What really disappointed me is having this thread in the HVX section, I don´t think it is fair business implying to offer sth that turns out as sth else on deliverance.
No offence, but in the DVX section you´ll also find more costumers for a SD application. (Maybe you crossposted, didn´t check...)
Nevertheless I´m looking forward to a HD version.
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Hi Spartacus,

Sorry to disappoint. We do Have HD running. We do have Scopes running. Ask anyone that was at the NY or LA HVX boot camps, we demoed these features.

I personally own an HVX, so I want this as much as you do. BUT, first things first, we needed a foundation to build off of. Those cool GUI and super EZ screen calibration took time away from HD and other things. But would you or anyone else been happy if we skimped on the interface and ease of use to cram more features in?

We felt that there might be users out there that would benefit from having DV Monitor now, while we slave away at bigger and better things.

I would like everyone to know that we have been working on DV Monitor for less than 4 months. I wish I had a magic wand to get more hours in the day to get more work done.

We did not intend to deceive or mislead anyone, nor do I think I promised anything that would mislead you. There was talk about features and goals and we mean to offer Mac users an excellent product that they will be proud to call their own.

Thanks
Ben
 
Hi Karl,

No offense taken. We too have been working long and hard on our software, funny that both our products launched the same day ;)

It would be great if you stuck to the windows API's (wink wink) I think that is an excellent idea :)

Nothing to see here.. move along...

Seriously, we are just frustrated Mac people who wanted some Love. Since there was no Love to be had, we had to create our own.

Gee, is it really 5am now? No sleep for the wicked.

Thanks for welcoming us to the party.

Ben

KarlSoule said:
Let me apologize on Mark's behalf. Here at Serious Magic, we've been operating on a 48-hour work day for the past couple of weeks getting DV Rack 2.0 out the door. I think the lack of sleep has made us all a little cranky.

We'd love to have a native Mac version - believe me, it's one of our number one requested features. I used to work for Apple myself, and it was one of my first questions when I came here. Unfortunately, our technology is too closely tied with Windows API's to make it easy. What we do on a very low level requires Windows to do it. There isn't a similar function on the MacOs at this time. Boot Camp is one option that works well. We have been looking at Parallels for Mac as a potential "perfect solution," but they haven't perfected their DirectX support just yet. Maybe in the near future.

I don't want to pollute this thread any further, but let me just say kudos to Ben and his team for trying to address this need in the marketplace, and best of luck to further development of your product!
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Hi Mark,

Man I hate the word Wizard, who thought that up anyways, hmm I wonder if his name starts with B and ends with G and he just happens to be the richest man in the world, and has a monkey boy (google monkey boy dance ) running the show?

Our EZ calibration is thanks to your product. I have never calibrated color bars, coming from a 16mm film background, so I was completely lost playing with your product. So being the good little Mac loving inovator that I am, I said well how about we make this easier and quicker? And after a few weeks of work we came up with a solution that I think works very well for beginners and pros alike.

Ben

Ps "Oh, one more thing... Warm up your copying machines"

PPs is it worth protecting our new ideas?

the_other_Mark said:
The only thing I'm bitter about is that Ben & co. implemented a calibration wizard before us--I had that idea a couple years ago, but it never made the cut. Now, if we do it, it'll look like we're copying the "Other Mac Company."
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bena said:
We did not intend to deceive or mislead anyone, nor do I think I promised anything that would mislead you.
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Well, you posted in the HVX section, I would call that a little misleading ;o)
But forget about that, you´ll need all your time and energy to get that HD version up and running hehehe

Take care,

Spart
 
Ben

I'm glad to see a product like this for the Mac. I really don't want to have to return to windows on any laptop!

Its problably mentioned somewhere here, but will your product support the JVC HD100?


Thanks




Andrew
 
Sumfun said:
I don't think the Mac market is a niche market. While it's true that about 90% of computers are PC's, about 80% of video editors use Mac (FCP and Avid). I think Serious Magic (or Red Lightning) can tap into a very lucrative market if they can supply a good product for Mac.
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Sumfun,

Where did you get your numbers from regarding 80% of video editors use mac & avid? I'd like to know how you substantiate them.

Consider that there are many good editing programs out there for Windows and that some of them are backed by big names like Sony and Adobe. These folks have full time staffs (called marketing) that figure out which market place they can get the most bang for the buck from. Those engines are money driven and savvy business people. I doubt that they jump on the wrong bus.

There is no quibble that Avid tops the "Pro" editing environment or at least has a lion's share of it.

At any rate, I don't have hard and fast numbers but I'd be glad to believe what you said if you can lay down your source that is verifiable.

Thanks,

Ken :beer:
 
kenackr said:
Sumfun,

Where did you get your numbers from regarding 80% of video editors use mac & avid? I'd like to know how you substantiate them.
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The only way to really find out for sure who's using what is to get sales numbers from Apple, Avid, Adobe, etc. , which will never happen. But just from my experience (which is not all that significant), I would say that most editors are using Mac. (I'm a PC user who's seriously considering switching).

The 80% number that I was referring to came from a survey I saw on Creative Cow. It's not scientific, but it's something. Here's the latest numbers that I could find (as of 8/13/06). My quote came from an earlier survey result which had FCP at about 60%.

"The results so far.... In our Monthly Survey (After weeks of voting)
Which NLE do you prefer to use the most?
35.42% Apple Final Cut Pro/Final Cut Express
40.18% Avid Nonlinear Editing Systems
13.39% Sony Vegas
10.12% Adobe Premiere Pro
0.89% Media 100

336 people have voted in this poll."

http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?univpostid=857604&forumid=4&postid=857665&pview=t

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At an HVX Bootcamp in Los Angeles, and informal "hands up" and subsequent breakout sessions for the two platforms indicate that at least 80% of the attendees were using FCP on a Mac.

Among the remaining PC users, I was the only one that used Canopus Edius 4 Broadcast, arguably the most complete and painless P2 solution.
 
Sumfun,

Thanks for the response.

I would have guessed it would have been more in the PC's favor, but a guess is all it would have been.

I personally use a mac for all video and audio work primarily because I found the early Mac only audio programs were, at one time, head & shoulders better than what was available on PC.

When I got into video, I tried Avid, didn't like it, and went to FCP that seemed much more user friendly to me. It also didn't hurt that at that time, that I could get some great features in Final Cut, at way less money AND keep audio on the same platform.

Having said that, I do everything else on PC. Sort of like riding 2 horses with a foot on each.

Ken :)
 
THoff said:
At an HVX Bootcamp I was the only one that used Canopus Edius 4 Broadcast, arguably the most complete and painless P2 solution.
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not even arguable.. it is by far the easiest, complete P2 solution. I would almost say its the only P2 solution and everything else out there are just band aids.

and yes im on mac and use FCP.. but Edius just doest it right.
 
If I was recording to FCP direct capture, would it be possible to switch the camera (HVX, of course) to dv mode to use this application for focusing and flip and zebra etc...(for use with the M2 adapter) then switch back to HD for capture? Could you have both programmes open at the same time without any problems?

Thanks
 
Hi Peter,

I have not tried the work flow you have described, but I can think of a few reasons that it would not work.

We are working on HD solutions of our software as well as recording and scopes.

The best work flow for now would be to shoot to P2 in DV 50 mode and use DV Monitor as your Focus, Flip, Exposure monitor.

You can visit our website and email us directly. We put current customers at the top of our Beta tester list, so you could be one of the first people to get your hands on the new features.

Ben
 
bena,

Am I inferring properly from your most recent post that your HD app with scopes and recording is not yet in beta? I am trying to get a sense of where the app you demo'd at the NYC Bootcamp stands and when it might be available, if it is far enough along that you feel you have a reasonable basis for giving an estimate.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Kevin
 
peter orland said:
What are the reasons?

Thanks
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Well for one thing, when you switch Rez in the HVX your break the Firewire connection between the camera and the Computer. I am not sure if FCP handles this differently, but currently our app would need to be restarted to get the Video stream working again.

Is it that you don't currently have a P2 card that you would shoot direct into FCP?

Would having an HD version of DV Monitor allow you to shoot to P2 without going to FCP as you are trying to do now?
 
Kwoff,

Much like Apple we can't show our hand until we are ready. I am sure Serious M has a keen interest in what we are doing and would love to know our plans, dates and prices.

We are only about 4 months into development and we have already shown that we have HD, scopes and recording functions working. We want to polish what we have and test it well. If our software is not Bullet proof when we release we will get bad word of mouth and for a little Mac development company, that could be the kiss of death.

We will always be needing Beta testers, as we have so many ideas for this product space.

I think our new motto will be "Innovation without limitation"

I know it sucks waiting for us, but the alternative is to wait for that PC app, and well lets just say I don't see that happening anytime soon, for the Mac is missing some magical "windows API's" ;)

Hang in there, you may be tempted by the "Dark Side" now, but sometime in the future when we blast our product onto the scene, you will say "wow they weren't kidding about making a real kick ass product"
 
Well as for the Software upgrades that you are talking about.

My suggestion is to do it like Apple does. You buy, and there is a set upgrade fee. Reasonable is the key. However with the price of this application, the reasonable margin is very slim. However I have d-loaded the Demo of the SD version, and Even though I dont shoot SD., I WAS SOOOOOO FREAKIN IMPRESSED. Showed my partner and wife:) and She was just amazed. Your off to a great start.
 
CaptainSKA said:
Dude, read about two posts up... he just answered this question...
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Oh, yeah, right: "(...)but sometime in the future when we blast our product onto the scene" he gave a "timeframe", stupid me...
So, d u d e why do you think I asked again?
 
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