Anyone Interested in a DV Rack like app for MAC?

I notice that your website says that this is SD only. Will something similar for the HVX in its HD modes be coming? Is this the same product you demoed at the NYC Bootcamp?

Thanks,
Kevin
 
1st off Ben, thank you for taking the time to develop this much needed app.
I downloaded the demo and so far I am very impressed!

Can you talk a little bit about the upgrade paths that will be available once the full blown HD version (recording, scopes, etc) is released.

Thanks again and I look forward purchasing and using your software.
 
I've had quick play with it as well.
The ol' bouncing demo routine, ehh. Comes on a bit too quick IMNSHO ...

Looks good - and I'd need to play with it longer to begin to trust my pb 17" screen.
But it's almost bang on with my Apple 20" and what I see on my PVM. Well done !
That's on PAL, btw.
 
Hi Look,

Thanks for taking the time to check out our wares.

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that purchasers of DV Monitor will be able to upgrade to our future products. I can't get too specific as we are not at the point of needing to decide the exact method we will take.

What would your preference be, to keep DV Monitor and get a break on the price of the next product for being a loyal customer or to apply the amount you paid for DV Monitor towards the newer feature rich product but no longer have use of DV Monitor once you have the better program? Or do you have another idea of a fair way to let our users upgrade?

Also keep in mind, our current customers will have a lot more pull in what features we will put in the next product, since we want to keep the installed base happy.
 
robbo said:
I've had quick play with it as well.
The ol' bouncing demo routine, ehh. Comes on a bit too quick IMNSHO ...

Looks good - and I'd need to play with it longer to begin to trust my pb 17" screen.
But it's almost bang on with my Apple 20" and what I see on my PVM. Well done !
That's on PAL, btw.
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Hi Robbo,

Its a tough call to decide how much demo time is enough vs. having too much and everyone just uses the demo without purchasing the full license.

Glad you liked the calibration. We aim to get you in the ball park as LCD's and CRT's are very different beasts.

Does anyone miss using color bars to calibrate or is that old news compared to the way we calibrate?
 
bena said:
What would your preference be, to keep DV Monitor and get a break on the price of the next product for being a loyal customer or to apply the amount you paid for DV Monitor towards the newer feature rich product but no longer have use of DV Monitor once you have the better program?
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well, if DV Monitor is incorporated in the newer product i guess we wouldnt need to keep the old version around, so I think I would want to apply what I paid for DVM towards the new product.

Im not going to lie, DV Rack has my attention with their new release, but i just dont like the idea of having to use boot camp to run it. Id prefer to stay on ONE platform or another but not BOTH to shoot with my HVX (thats hard enough as it is)
 
Gee. It's a shame this software won't run on a PC. After all, aren't like 95% of all computers PCs? What were the developers thinking when they decided to snub such a sizeable market? Especially since it's not that big a deal to port an app across to the other platform (at least that's what I've read in a number of threads where folks were slamming that Other Company for not porting that Other PC APP to the Mac--I presume it goes both ways.)
 
Is there a forum rule not to name other company´s names producing similar products?
DVrack is for PC, DV Monitor is for the Mac - and they lived happily ever after...
Basically I like the idea of having a choice (even if it becomes a platform choice in this case...), both companies will strife to produce the better product, or at least always keep up with the other.
What really disappointed me is having this thread in the HVX section, I don´t think it is fair business implying to offer sth that turns out as sth else on deliverance.
No offence, but in the DVX section you´ll also find more costumers for a SD application. (Maybe you crossposted, didn´t check...)
Nevertheless I´m looking forward to a HD version.
 
While we're talking about the options growing before our eyes, don't forget Redrock Revolution (http://www.redrockmicro.com/revolution.htm) - that's for XP or Mac, promises HDV (but not HD), 16:9 on squeeze, as well as screen calibration. DV Rack looks to me to offer best specs, but runs on on XP. Oh well, nothing's perfect. But all this development activity augurs well for the future. Thank you, developers - whatever platform you're working on!
 
Revolution is described on Redrock's sight as supporting HDV, but DVCPro HD is not mentioned. For anyone who is looking at this option, I thought I would mention that I emailed them a month or two ago to ask if the HVX was supported in HD modes and they responded that it is not at this time. Apparently, this may change in the future.

Kevin
 
the_other_Mark said:
Gee. It's a shame this software won't run on a PC. After all, aren't like 95% of all computers PCs? What were the developers thinking when they decided to snub such a sizeable market? Especially since it's not that big a deal to port an app across to the other platform (at least that's what I've read in a number of threads where folks were slamming that Other Company for not porting that Other PC APP to the Mac--I presume it goes both ways.)
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Im sorry I found this disturbing and child like.
Your product is already on the market with no support for mac users (at least not natively supported) Will it ever be?
Why would another product need to be made like 'DV Rack' for both Mac and PC users when DV Rack is already out there (and a very good product too!) for the PC crowd?

I know what you were getting at in your post but i personally feel youve gone about it the wrong way.

Id buy DV Rack HD if it were a mac app, but its not. Nothing wrong with that, but i need something that functions like DV Rack, just on a Apple.
 
Look 1st said:
Im sorry I found this disturbing and child like.
Your product is already on the market with no support for mac users (at least not natively supported) Will it ever be?
Why would another product need to be made like 'DV Rack' for both Mac and PC users when DV Rack is already out there (and a very good product too!) for the PC crowd?

I know what you were getting at in your post but i personally feel youve gone about it the wrong way.

Id buy DV Rack HD if it were a mac app, but its not. Nothing wrong with that, but i need something that functions like DV Rack, just on a Apple.
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I think The Other Mark (or, his company) has taken some jabs over the course of this thread and I can completely understand his response.

I agree with the person who said it was misleading to imply that this was an HVX solution (DV Monitor) and now we find out that we have to wait for that. Good hype, but bad marketing in the long run. I won't be as excited next time I read about an HD update to DV Monitor.

So, we have:

DVC Rack that has great reviews, but runs only on Windows
DV Monitor that only does SD
And now Redrock that only does HDV?

That's almost comical. I think I've decided on my likely work flow. Stream to DVC Rack on an el cheapo PC laptop. Then edit on a Mac Pro. I don't like windows at all, but I realized, what better laptop to bring into the field than something you won't cry about when it gets dropped or rained on ... no offence to PC likers.

So, Serious Magic has my vote. Why should you care what I have to say? You shouldn't.

Cheers! :beer:
 
Let me apologize on Mark's behalf. Here at Serious Magic, we've been operating on a 48-hour work day for the past couple of weeks getting DV Rack 2.0 out the door. I think the lack of sleep has made us all a little cranky.

We'd love to have a native Mac version - believe me, it's one of our number one requested features. I used to work for Apple myself, and it was one of my first questions when I came here. Unfortunately, our technology is too closely tied with Windows API's to make it easy. What we do on a very low level requires Windows to do it. There isn't a similar function on the MacOs at this time. Boot Camp is one option that works well. We have been looking at Parallels for Mac as a potential "perfect solution," but they haven't perfected their DirectX support just yet. Maybe in the near future.

I don't want to pollute this thread any further, but let me just say kudos to Ben and his team for trying to address this need in the marketplace, and best of luck to further development of your product!
 
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Look 1st said:
Im sorry I found this disturbing and child like.
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I meant no offense. My post was meant as a good-natured jab--and not even at Ben and his company but rather at those who have tossed essentially the same arguments from the other side of the fence (or "platform," if you prefer). I just couldn't resist the irony.

Since we at Serious Magic have not filled this niche for the Mac market (and for sound business reasons, I hasten to add), I'm glad that Mac users who are averse to running Windows under Bootcamp now have at least the beginning of what they've been begging us for.

The only thing I'm bitter about is that Ben & co. implemented a calibration wizard before us--I had that idea a couple years ago, but it never made the cut. Now, if we do it, it'll look like we're copying the "Other Mac Company."
 
the_other_Mark said:
Since we at Serious Magic have not filled this niche for the Mac market (and for sound business reasons, I hasten to add), I'm glad that Mac users who are averse to running Windows under Bootcamp now have at least the beginning of what they've been begging us for.
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I don't think the Mac market is a niche market. While it's true that about 90% of computers are PC's, about 80% of video editors use Mac (FCP and Avid). I think Serious Magic (or Red Lightning) can tap into a very lucrative market if they can supply a good product for Mac.
 
I wasn't referring to the Mac user base as a niche market but rather to the product space that DV Rack and DV Monitor now share.
 
the_other_Mark said:
Gee. It's a shame this software won't run on a PC. After all, aren't like 95% of all computers PCs? What were the developers thinking when they decided to snub such a sizeable market? Especially since it's not that big a deal to port an app across to the other platform (at least that's what I've read in a number of threads where folks were slamming that Other Company for not porting that Other PC APP to the Mac--I presume it goes both ways.)
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Hi Mark...

I think you are confused that 95% of all computers are PC's. Maybe you meant 95% of all PCs run windows? My car, watch and now my toothbrush all have computers in them, but they are not PCs.

We are not snubbing any markets, there seems to already be a fairly big fish in the other pond. Since we are the Only fish in this little pond here in Mac'ville, we hope to do ok. We could be wrong about that. We might have to pull a SnakeHead (google it) and walk on over to your pond and start snacking on your food.

I don't know about porting, but we could certainly hire a Windows programer :) But that would make us feel all yucky inside.

I do think that our little Mac pond is going to grow now that the "Intel Inside" warning sticker is on our shiny new machines.

Its such a shame that IBM forgot about PowerPC and Apple in its quest to make chips for the Game consoles. Seems funny to me that the Brand new core duo chip is about the same speed as my 3-4 year old G5 chip in my dual 2 ghz. And the new intel chips in the new Quad still can't touch the ancient Alti-vec / velocity engine in speed. But then again as a share holder its a good thing. Seems to be a curse and a blessing.

Of corse I long for the good old Atari ST days! Your TOS on a Rom, wow can you say stable OS that never corrupts? Can't say that about windows or OS 9.

Thanks for chiming in

Ben
 
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