Anyone Interested in a DV Rack like app for MAC?

Lente,

Thats an interesting idea, but I don't know that its technically feasible. There are also limits to how long the Firewire run can be.

It seems you are more looking for a way to record direct to disk for multiple cameras. If each camera operator did not have our app and a screen, how would they know what they were getting?

Keep the idea's coming. Your request has gotten some gears rolling in my head of a cool feature that we will need to look at to see if it is feasible.

Thanks
Ben
 
Ben
Oh yes it is, you just have to work harder then Canon… the next Version of CONSOLE will support a max of 4 HDV cameras (Rumors form an insider friend of mine)
The downside it works only in freaking windows and it prefers Canon Cameras of course
And as far as the limit of a firewire cable I think 1640 feet (500 meters) is enough don’t you think?
As I can see not a lot of you in here work with big events lets say a football game where some cameras are in the field and the operator is up in the Camera Control Center or a Concert where cameras are in big cranes or on top of buildings sitting on tripods with Zoom/pan tilt capable heads and the operator is 400 Ft away controlling 4 cameras
Docking Cameras is what I am talking about
And as far as the firewire to be in a separate bus FYI my Mac Pro Quad intel has 4 Firewire inputs all on separate buses, that is all what I really need for now (do not start with the “well they are on the same bus thing” because the sets are one firewire 400 and one 800 in the back and front and don’t start with the “but cameras do not use Firewire 800” because you know they sale 400 to 800 (9 pin to 4 pin) cables
Two things are happening here

I)You are just trying to burst my bubble and at the same time stopping ben from harvesting new ideas and therefore making more money
II)Or you are being misinformed and with a lack of imagination “no offence”


Here are some links for those that used to think that firewire cables could not be longer than 15 Ft http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=2808

And a link to a device some of you might be interested in “CameraControlCenter” Ben I own one of this, that is how I see what the camera is seeing
http://www.grizzlypro.com/systems.htm
My plan is to bundle this system to control the cameras' movement and settings, run a firewire cables from the cameras to the computer (tbanucci Notice that I have never mentioned a Laptop on my posts, I said Intel Mac Pro Quad) and have total control over the cameras

Ben how about if you partner with them and offer it as a bundle, [
 
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You cannot go 1640 feet (or anywhere near that) on twisted pair Firewire, either with or without repeaters. Firewire 800 has support for optical connections, but neither your laptop nor your camera has that.
 
THOFF
I suggest you get informed before you post ok
I never said there is a 1000 ft long firewire cable that is stupid and you are a cave man if you are trying to use repeaters to get to 1640 feet of firewire cable what you need is an extender like the one on the link I posted
plus I have never mentioned laptops
Optical Connection to a camera where in the heck I wrote that . you must be smoking something or you are really illiterate... one of those two has to be
So no I am not wrong or stupid like you implied THOFF
 
Wow, somebody needs to take a chill pill. Throughout your posts you are calling people cave men, dumb, stupid, illiterate, and uninformed.

You wrote
"And as far as the limit of a firewire cable I think 1640 feet (500 meters) is D$@^m well enough don’t you think"
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Guess what? That's just plain wrong. The device you referenced is a Firewire extender using fiberoptic cables -- this is not the same as a 1640 foot Firewire cable. Please don't go around calling people names when you are not talking about the same thing.
 
dongles and such

dongles and such

I can't even say I know what a Dongle is, other than something that really irritates many dvxusers.

A few things I'll mention after going thru the posts:

1. I definitely agree on the OSX vs. going through the pc program on a mac (whatever its called). Part of the reason I work on macs is to avoid the PC world and its crashes and viruses. Though it seems that was an older issue.

2. As far as licenses and such, I will say that I think Apple has been very unfriendly in their license purchasing for software. I am a very small company (notice I refer to the company as "I") and was not too happy that to run my Final Cut Pro on my laptop and desktop at the same time I would have to disable my network. I would have been up for purchasing a second license if it was remotely reasonable - but Apple takes off a whole $100 from the list price. Ridiculous and not gonna help their pirating issues.

Which is a long way of getting to the point of maybe if the software comes with one (or two) licenses, to purchase others make it a fair amount less than the entire software program.

But all in all, this sounds great and now I have to add it to my constantly expanding list of "I want that's". GREAT!!:crybaby: :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
Lente Loco Studios said:
THOFF
I suggest you get informed before you post ok
I never said there is a 1000 ft long firewire cable that is stupid and you are a cave man if you are trying to use repeaters to get to 1640 feet of firewire cable what you need is an extender like the one on the link I posted
plus I have never mentioned laptops
Optical Connection to a camera where in the heck I wrote that . you must be smoking something or you are really illiterate... one of those two has to be
So no I am not wrong or stupid like you implied THOFF
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THoff go back to school you do not know how to read
tell me where am I calling you stupid? I only mentioned it because you implieded I was such
 
Lente Loco Studios said:
THoff go back to school you do not know how to read
tell me where am I calling you stupid? I only mentioned it because you implieded I was such
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My mistake -- you implied earlier that I had called you stupid, which I did not. In fact, I have refrained from using any derogatory terms -- that is something only you have done.

The other terms (dumb, misinformed, cave man, illiterate, uninformed) you did use in your posts. Anyway, I don't see a point in continuing this exchange. Have a nice day.
 
THoff said:
Wow, somebody needs to take a chill pill. Throughout your posts you are calling people cave men, dumb, stupid, illiterate, and uninformed.

You wrote Guess what? That's just plain wrong. The device you referenced is a Firewire extender using fiberoptic cables -- this is not the same as a 1640 foot Firewire cable. Please don't go around calling people names when you are not talking about the same thing.
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let me explain it for you
Step one:
you buy your Firewire Extender along with a 300 Ft long 2 strand LC-LC Fiber Optic cable
Step Two:
plug one end of the optical cable to the Firewire Receiver and the other end to the Firewire transmitter
Step 3:
connect the 3 feet long firewire cables supplied with the extender
connect one cable from the camcorder to the FireWire transmitter
Step 4
Got to the other side, where your computer and receiver are and Connect the second supplied firewire cable from the computer to the receiver and whooala you have a 300Ft long "FireWire Cable"
THoff
if you still do not understand I could explain how a fiber optic cable can double as firewire cable I could Perhaps send you my up-comming book
Connecting Cables For Dummies By "ALB"
watch for it in bookstores near you
 
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Ok Sorry

Ok Sorry

THoff said:
My mistake -- you implied earlier that I had called you stupid, which I did not. In fact, I have refrained from using any derogatory terms -- that is something only you have done.

The other terms (dumb, misinformed, cave man, illiterate, uninformed) you did use in your posts. Anyway, I don't see a point in continuing this exchange. Have a nice day.
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I am sorry
I just got out of wack
have a good one you too
sorry everybody:(
man I feel bad now
 
Yes, this got dangerously close to crossing the line as per our terms of use (or perhaps it did cross it). Please back off, no personal attacks or insults are tolerated here. Thanks.
 
I've been comparing dvrack to edius 4 and can't really see much that dv rack does that edius can't. Is the color accuracy thing? I brought this up in another thread and someone directed me to the SM website. I looked and still don't get it. Can someone explain what Ben's and SM do that is so unique? Why do we need this product when we have these powerful NLE's like FCP and Edius?

And btw, what is the name of this new Mac system, DV Mack? You guys need a name.
 
This sounds like a great product, and would enable me to *finally* make a decision on which macbook pro to buy... One of the simplesy but main features for me would be that I would want to be able to trigger the recording via the record button on my HDV camera - with the laptop lid shut. This will allow me to walk around with the laptop in a rucksack recording straight to disk - for wedding shoots, conferences etc..

Do we know at this stage whether I would need a 7200rpm internal drive to do the above with this proposed new product?

I would much prefer to buy this than DVrack via bootcamp if at all possible - and presumably i'll get m2t (?) files that I believe FCP (via FCP Suite 5.1) will handle naitively?


Thanks.
 
Just like to register my interest in this, for a PAL version. You'd get a huge amount of business from the PAL market I am sure.
 
Captain Cowbell, I used to use a P4M 1.5GHz laptop with a 4200RPM drive to capture DV video using DV Rack, and never had a dropped frame. HDV's bandwidth is essentially the same as DV25.

DV Rack has a 1024 frame buffer, so even if your hard drive is temporarily busy with another I/O request, you shouldn't experience dropped frames.

Regarding the issue of starting/stopping recording when the camera does, you can slave DV Rack to the camera, or instruct it to ignore what the camera is doing and use manual start/stop only.
 
Thanks THoff

Thanks THoff

Thanks THoff - appreciate the info, I don't normally do too well when asking questions on these forum thingies, so it was great to get your help... and the good news is it means I can go get myself a MBP this week without having to order it from t'internet! (you can only get 5400rpm drives in the shops - for some reason 7200rpm is an online order only option??).

Now do I go 15" or 17" for the f/w 800 which may gobble up more battery time... hmmmm it's never easy is it :)

Have you ever tried DVrack using one of those "virtualisation" / "parallel" tools for the Intels rather than bootcamp? If so how did you get on?

Also, do you happen to know how well the various tools work for stopping your MBP going to sleep when the lids down? Especially when running a PC app on an MBP? Have you ever tried any of these with DVrack?

Thanks again!

CC
 
Sorry, I've never used DV Rack on Apple hardware and can't be of any help there. I do know from reading the Serious Magic forums that people are having great success with Bootcamp, but whether one virtualization technology has a clear advantage over another, I can't tell.

Regarding the hard drive speed, one thing you could do is swap it out yourself. You can get a 160GB 7200RPM perpendicular recording technology laptop drive for under $200 from NewEgg, drop it into the laptop, and reinstall the OS. That would give you not only a much faster drive, but also lots of space for recording and possibly editing.
 
^ What Sunstream said ...

Plus, this is exactly what I'm looking for as far as a workflow solution. Very, very cool. If DVC Rack was for Mac OS I'd go with that, but ...
 
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