What is Next for sony in HD or HDV?

I don't know anything about what they are doing with AVC-HD.

I just read the handwriting on the wall. They've had a popular lineup in consumer cams, and they've had a killer wave of success in the DVX. How hard is it to extrapolate forward and say that soon they'll have some killer AVC-HD products?

It's like Sony -- Sony refuses to give us 24p and the filmlike look. HDV -- no 24p, only interlaced. So when Sony made their first AVC-HD products, guess what -- no 24p, only interlaced. Surprise, surprise.

Panasonic on the other hand knows what side of the bread their butter is on, they have made a fortune supplying filmlike gamma and 24p capability. And AVC-HD supports 24p in both 720 and 1080 modes. So is it any stretch of the imagination to assume (and yes, it's an assumption) that they'll "get it right" on an AVC-HD product? I've been nagging 'em to put the HVX chips in the DVX body and put an AVC-HD engine in the back of that. I think that'd sell like hotcakes. But I'm not a camera engineer or a marketing guy, so I'll leave it up to them to decide what's best, but so far they have a pretty nice track record (VariCam, SDX900, DVX, HVX, HDX900 looks great) so we'll see what they do.
 
Barry_Green said:
It's like Sony -- Sony refuses to give us 24p and the filmlike look. HDV -- no 24p, only interlaced. So when Sony made their first AVC-HD products, guess what -- no 24p, only interlaced. Surprise, surprise.
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Of course their first AVC-HD isnt 24p is a completely prosumer camera. I think sony has a pretty could track record so far also with its entire Cine Alta, and XDCAM line. But I think this could be a pretty hard thing to agree on considering im a die hard Sony fan who loves 60i, and Barry is of course a big Panny fan who Im guessing loves 24p.

Oh well.
 
Well, no, that's the point -- Sony makes 60i and eschews 24p, and DVXUser members by and large are huge 24p fans.

So the point is: I don't expect Sony to make any 24p/DVX-like AVC-HD gear. They'll make 60i and like it. And if someone's a big 60i fan, Sony is your company of choice.

For those who don't want the 60i look and prefer 24p, there's not much point in holding out hope for a Sony product, as they've steadfastly refused to give us anything like a DVX for nearly four years now and show no sign of changing.
 
MovieSwede said:
Have heard a rumour that Panny has a Prototype Prosumer AVCHD cam out on testing
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Hope that's true. Wonder how long that means it'll be before it hits the streets?

With the DVX rebate ending at September's end and the new Canon shipping in October, I expect at least an announcement from Panasonic - to stop people from buying the competition.

The thing that's making me anxious is Panasonic's silence. The DVX B and the HVX were announced WAY before they shipped. Maybe the complaining about the slow roll-out on the HVX is keeping them silent this time. Maybe they're thinking that an AVC-HD DVX will take business away from the two afore-mentioned cams, so they're waiting to announce 'till it's ready. Maybe they're so worried about competing with their own models that they won't release a AVC-HD DVX at all - or make us wait a really long time.

I'm glad Canon announced their new lower cost camera, with it's features and price point, I would think Panasonic will have to make a move .... NOW.
 
Still haven't asnwered my question, because ppl asked there own questions in my post :(
Is AVCHD worth waiting for or go with the HDR-A1P?
Or is something better coming.
and yes i can wait but only if something better is really coming soon.

Mitch
 
Noone knows when something else comes. But I would guess the 3 other companys wont let canon be king of the hill.

I also guess we dont get real 24P/25P from Sony.

But if you can wait to the end of the year so wait. Because by then we should know what the other are gonna release.
 
Kezza, frankly speaking, waiting hasn't ever done me any good. It depends on how long you are willing to wait. If its going to be over 6-7 months, then better make a movie now with what you have and get the other cameras for your "next" movie.

Now, about the to-be-released cameras: As of now, we only know Canon will be releasing a model in October. So thats a wait of about 1 1/2 months. Sony (Panasonic?) will probably be announcing another camera at IBC, so thats just around the corner.

Keep in mind that even after these cameras are released, its going to take a while for people like Barry, Adam Wilt, and Mike Curtis to test these cameras, and only then can we make a decision of buy-or-not-to-buy. That might take a while. So, my two cents? Here is what I suggest

(1) Wait for IBC, and see if the Sony (or Panasonic) announces something really cool like 24p (Sony...sigh, unlikely)

(2) Decide whether you really like 24p of the new Canon, and the Image quality of the XL-H1. We shouldnt have trouble imagining the quality of the image since it uses the same chip as the XL-H1. If you do, wait for October.

If you dont, then I suggest you just go ahead and make your movie. There wouldnt be much of a point in waiting any further after IBC (Panny SHOULD announce something at IBC).

Hope that helps.
 
John Trent said:
I hate reporting this as much as I hated reading it but if the rumors are true, prepare to be flabbergasted, disappointed and barfing.

A soon to be released FX2 - HDV, smaller cam with a smaller (62mm diameter vs old 72mm) lens, 3 CMOS maybe not even true 16:9. Thinner, cheaper, dumbed down.

http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/showthread.php?t=6162&page=1

I can't tell you how much I'm hoping for news about a new Panasonic. A 16:9 DVX (SD) or a AVCHD DVX. If anybody has knowledge or rumors about a new Panasonic, please post. My desperation is reaching epic proportions.
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the image have to at least be 16:9 to be considered Hd or HDV?
 
I have seen 4:3 HD before once, using an HD codec you can still change the image size and aspect ratio. But I seriously doubt that sony will introduce a 4:3 HDV/HD camera, I think that 99.999999 of all HD used is 16:9. Just because some of the CMOS sensor's made are 4:3 dosnt mean they cant make a 16:9 the HC1 and HC3 are CMOS and are native 16:9.

It seems like the FX7 might be a more consumer friendly with the smaller lens diamater, I think sony would piss off alot of loyal customers because it would require a whole new matte box and lense set up which would certainly anger me.

Well see what happends, I havent heard any solid facts yet so everyone could be wrong. Im hoping that the new sony's incoperate the larger HDV tape that they seem to have supported with the release of their latest HDV VTR's.
 
Mark, the only thing I wonder about the new 80-85 minute HD tapes from Sony, is how relaible they are, since they will be thinner to accomidate 85 minutes of runtime per tape.
Wouldn't this make them more prone to dropouts?
 
Well....
Question for Barry... if your out there.
I want to get the HDR-A1P, i just sold my FX1 because its to big for what i wanted it for.
The thing is i hear that this new AVCHD is meant to shoot even better HD then the HD tapes (HDV) is this true.
- Will FCP handle this new camera.
- is Dvd tapes better then HDV tapes?
- A1p? or the new AVCHD?

And info on these two cameras (comparing) would be great.

I want a camera to shoot surf/snow films. well movies :)
Thanks for the replys really helpful
Mitch
 
Kezza,
Its pretty hard to tell who is the winner because AVCHD is strictly consumer. The one thing AVCHD already has on HDV is no need to capture. I think its pretty hard to tell anything else. But I can guarantee that a prosumer AVCHD will probably be priced higher than he A1. For surf and snow I would highly recommend a 3CCD camera with atleast a 1/4 chip because you need good light sensitivity it would be very easy to overexpose the snow and waves.
 
Mack Fisher said:
Kezza,
Its pretty hard to tell who is the winner because AVCHD is strictly consumer. The one thing AVCHD already has on HDV is no need to capture. I think its pretty hard to tell anything else. But I can guarantee that a prosumer AVCHD will probably be priced higher than he A1. For surf and snow I would highly recommend a 3CCD camera with atleast a 1/4 chip because you need good light sensitivity it would be very easy to overexpose the snow and waves.
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Well i owned a FX1 with 3CCD. But not anymore.
So you are saying that AVCHD is "only" consumer?
The A1 is Professional so won't that be rated higher.
The only thing i'm worried about i go get a A1 and the month later HDV is now off market for good because it was a crappy format that come in and went out again.
 
I can assure you HDV has staked its claim and and is here to stay for a pretty long time, Canon, JVC, and Sony make and plan on to continue creation of HDV. Sony says AVC-HD is strictly consumer right now but Barry made a good point of saying Sony also said that about HDV.

HDV is not a crappy format.
 
kezza said:
The thing is i hear that this new AVCHD is meant to shoot even better HD then the HD tapes (HDV) is this true.
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Well, you have to be careful to not confuse unrelated issues. The AVC-HD format is superior to HDV, but that doesn't mean that the little HDR-UX1 (or whatever it's called) is a better camera than an A1P. The current Sony AVC-HD cameras are aimed strictly at consumers. If you're used to an FX1, I doubt you'd be happy with the little Sony AVC-HD product, you'd want to wait for something better to be introduced.
 
Barry_Green said:
Well, you have to be careful to not confuse unrelated issues. The AVC-HD format is superior to HDV, but that doesn't mean that the little HDR-UX1 (or whatever it's called) is a better camera than an A1P. The current Sony AVC-HD cameras are aimed strictly at consumers. If you're used to an FX1, I doubt you'd be happy with the little Sony AVC-HD product, you'd want to wait for something better to be introduced.
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Any thing inmind barry?>
Would i be happy with the A1P after stepping down from Fx1?
 
I dont think so considering your down grading in cameras going from a 3 HAD 1/3 inch CCD's to a single 1/3 inch CMOS. In my opinion you go from proffesional to prosumer.
 
Mack Fisher said:
I dont think so considering your down grading in cameras going from a 3 HAD 1/3 inch CCD's to a single 1/3 inch CMOS. In my opinion you go from proffesional to prosumer.
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I understand that.
But Sony puts the A1 into the professional side with the Z1
And the FX1 is consumer?
This a mistake./
 
The Z1 is a prosumer
The FX1 is a consumer in a prosumer body or a little less prosumer then z1.

the A1 is a consumer.

In a scale from 1-10

F900 = 9
Z1 = 5
FX1 = 4
A1 =2
 
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