Director's whose Schtick you're tired of

John_Hudson said:
I'm not talking about the hype or popularity of a director. I am talking specifically of the way in which they do it. It could be thematic, it could be visually, anything ...

For me, it is Tim Burton

The man has made the same type of film (it seems) over and over and over. In side the mans head is this bizarre world of worms and claymation characters and big top circus tents.


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same

Planet of the Apes - Crap

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. Sin City is an exception based purely on technique (Green screen)

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done.

Batman Returns - Crap

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music.

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate.

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over.

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain


Can the guy make a normal effin Movie without the gimmicky fantasy land he seems to be trapped in ?

I'm tired of this guys Schtick.
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Why would you leave off Nightmare before Christmas - a cult classic often reissued in theatres for Halloween/Xmas? Corpse Bride too?

What other big director has multiple animation credits to his name? Frankly that's kind of the opposite of "schtick". Burton is quite variegated. And how is Edward Scissorhands more of the same - it was almost 15 years ago and one of his earlier works.

Maybe you should take a break and actually watch some of his work again - maybe you haven't seen it in a few years.

Big Fish is quite different from Ed Wood, which is Quite different from Mars Attacks, which is quite different from Ed Scissorhands etc. The only similarities are Johnny Depp and Danny Elfman, but for the films tone/contexts themselves, there's quite a bit of variation. Sure there's similarities of course, but every director will have similarities over time, along with working with the same actors, musicians, DPs, etc etc.

THe only gripe I would have is he sometimes gives in to mainstream Hollywood projects that aren't the greatest in the world - ie batman returns and apes. Frankly considering how ridiculous the scripts were to those films, he did a good job doing them - sure they were flawed, but if you actually watch them again you'd see quite a few times he saved it from being a complete steaming pile - I thought both films were tolerable and any other director would have made them total garbage. They aren't great or even good, but far from crap.

And if you admittedly never seen some of his work, why even list Charlie and the Chocoloate factory? Frankly maybe you left Nightmare and Corpse bride off was because you 've never seen them.

Go watch some movies.
 
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DVXcellence said:
What other big director has multiple animation credits to his name?
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Actually, Spielberg has a few animations under his belt, but in a different capacity. I think it was as a producer. Some films off the top of my head.


Fievel goes west
Tiny Toons
I think, Animaniacs


and I'm sure more.
 
ece said:
Actually, Spielberg has a few animations under his belt, but in a different capacity. I think it was as a producer. Some films off the top of my head.


Fievel goes west
Tiny Toons
I think, Animaniacs


and I'm sure more.
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But did he direct and have hands on creation like Burton?
 
John_Hudson said:
I'm not talking about the hype or popularity of a director. I am talking specifically of the way in which they do it. It could be thematic, it could be visually, anything ...

For me, it is Tim Burton

The man has made the same type of film (it seems) over and over and over. In side the mans head is this bizarre world of worms and claymation characters and big top circus tents.


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same

Planet of the Apes - Crap

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. Sin City is an exception based purely on technique (Green screen)

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done.

Batman Returns - Crap

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music.

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate.

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over.

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain


Can the guy make a normal effin Movie without the gimmicky fantasy land he seems to be trapped in ?

I'm tired of this guys Schtick.
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OK. Now your skating on thin ice, and youll be glad to hear your skate blades are razor sharp and you've gained 500lbs.

Burton, I will agree, makes the same types of movies over and over again, but some of the stuff you said... eh, I dont necesarily agree.
Here is my take on what you said...

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap... This movie was fall-off-the-seat funny. Burton did make it a little dark, and "fantasy-land"ish, but this is the way Roald Dahl meant it to be... this one, you should see. Depp is hilarious.

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same. Big Fish was OK- nothing too special, but it wasnt bad.

Planet of the Apes - Crap. Agreed.

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror. In my opinion, one of his best ones yet. It was just good horror fun.

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. Sin City is an exception based purely on technique (Green screen) P.O.S. I hated this one, it was ridiculous, and not funny.

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done. Have yet to see it.

Batman Returns - Crap Yep- crap.

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music. Damn Elfman music? DAMN ELFMAN MUSIC. Scissorhands is his greatest accomplishment- almost anyone can tell you that. The movie was so-so, being cliche and acted strangely.

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate. Boo-ooring. Nicholson made it fun, but the rest, I agree with you. (The third one was OK- dont mess with Nicole.

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over. I didnt like this one- it embarrased me, watching Keaton do all that stuff.

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain pKid's film. Ill agree that it was good, but kids film? Whoa, you must have missed those undertones.

Just tell em Large Marge sent 'ya.

And you need to add Nightmare and Corpse Bride to the list.
 
ece said:
Quentin Tarantino :furious3:
( using a lot of profanity doesn't make him a good screenwriter either.)

Kevin Smith :(
( Just Lame! I don't even have to justify this one. It became clear with Jersey Girls that I wasn't alone in my pain.)

Woody Allen :crybaby:
( Ewwwww....Gross! I hate anything to do with him. It can be fun to laugh at him, not with him, but then again its mean to laugh at retards, so...)
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Smith doesn't really have a leg to stand on, but calling Woody Allen and Quentin Tarantino "retarded" and "not a good screenwriter" respectively is kinda ridiculous, especially when you don't justify.

For starters, Quentin has won a SCREENWRITING OSCAR. They don't exactly hand that stuff out either. Not to mention his films aren't exactly "the same ol' schtick" as mentioned--he did a heist movie, a meandering gangster film, a con movie, and a kung fu movie. Now he's doing a horror movie. The only thing that remains between these is his writing style, which won him an Oscar, so why should he change it?

And Woody Allen being retarded? The man has garnered 21 oscar nominations for acting, directing, and writing. There are streaks of 4 years in which he gets nominated every year. And you can't argue very well that he does a lot of the same, other than his characterizations. I mean, he went from stuff like Bananas and Sleeper to Annie Hall and Manhattan to Match Point. Sure he acts the same in a lot, but people like seeing that; it's the constant in an ever changing equation. So, if he is retarded, he's one of the most impressive mentally disabled people i've ever heard of.
 
I think he was a kid (That would explain the drama and mouth)

Now, who is Flyerland? And who are these guys running smack ? The only posts that get deleted are the personal flames, attacks or mouths.

The other guy (Was in Psynema or something? Again, who is flyerland?)
started crying about Font sizes. See guys, Font sizes, bold text, colred text, italisized text helps 'enunciate' your words a bit.

Why is everyone taking this so personally ? Lately, film discussion has seemed a volatile subject matter. This isn't a personal attack on Burton (Or you dvexcellence) so relax; better yet, participate

Why would you leave off Nightmare before Christmas - a cult classic often reissued in theatres for Halloween/Xmas? Corpse Bride too?
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He did not direct those (I do enjoy them though). And I was sticking to live action anyway so probably would have left them off even if he did direct them.

Maybe you should take a break and actually watch some of his work again - maybe you haven't seen it in a few years
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Huh ? It's just an opinion there pally.

And if you admittedly never seen some of his work, why even list Charlie and the Chocoloate factory
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Charlie is the only film I have not seen.

Go watch some movies.
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That's the point

Ece

Altough Tarantino is currently my favorite working director, I am looking forward to something new from him. Something a bit fresher. Obviously Grindhouse will be Grindhouse but Inglorious Bastards is what I have my eye on. I hope he plays it more straight up that go around

But I can see where some would put Tarantino on this list.
 
Psynema said:
What's with the big font? Screaming for attention?

You conveniently left a few titles off that list my friend LOL.
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well let's add a few titles to the list... Temple of Doom, Last Crusade, AI, Catch Me If You Can, Hook, Always, ET, Close Encounters, Sugerland Express... all great films... sappy? AHAHAHA!
 
I have to disagree, Temple of Doom is not a great film. It sucks. Lemme add Howard the Duck and Hook to the Spielberg suck list...
 
Temple wasn't the best Indy flick, but it was still good in its own right... Hook i loved. i really don't understand why so many people dog it...
 
Isaac_Brody said:
I have to disagree, Temple of Doom is not a great film. It sucks. Lemme add Howard the Duck and Hook to the Spielberg suck list...
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What does Spielberg have to do with Howard the Duck?
 
I don't think you can give too much credit (or blame) to Bruckheimer or Spielberg for movies they produced. Often their name goes on a project with very little input and there's almost never an gauge by which to measure just how much input a producer had creatively in a project. Stick to the things they directed themselves. Then they have nobody else to blame. In which case Bruckheimer has nothing.
 
John_Hudson said:
Altough Tarantino is currently my favorite working director, I am looking forward to something new from him. Something a bit fresher. Obviously Grindhouse will be Grindhouse but Inglorious Bastards is what I have my eye on. I hope he plays it more straight up that go around

But I can see where some would put Tarantino on this list.
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See, Hudson can be totally objective. But to be honest, as much as I hate on Tarantino, he runs the gamut. If he puts out a fantasy flick, might as well call it a wrap. He does what I want to do: venture into every territory.

If Rob Zombie makes another gore flick, add him to the fire, please.
 
I hate michael bay films. too formula built....

bryan singer... I hate him in general he made like one great movie and people still praise him. no one is satistfied with another movie he made except maybe apt pupil all his other is comic book crap. He's not good... he got lucky once... i mean director usually progress and go back to what worked for them others go his route. i mean really besides Usual Suspects has anyone loved his movie.... i just get upset when people worship him when he hasn't really accomplish anything after that, be side make comic book movie which arn't even close to source material..... andwith the biggest bomb yet being superman returns perhaps people will see that light of things.

robert R.... needs to mature more as a film-maker. I mean theres making movie for kids and stuff i understand that but he has wow'd me yet besides sincity but Frank Miller is behind that, he mostly just gave the palette to make it with.

i dunno when i say RR to people they say spykids... never his other films so He need to progress more, not tech wise but writing and direction.

George Lucas GROW UP AND QUIT LETTING YOU EGO GET IIN THE WAY! I mean he basically destroyed his franchise to me.... i cant even think about start wars with out making fun of it. i mean its not like Steven wanted to make sequels to his many films. I think he learn that its not good with jurassic park 2.....
 
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