The Door Between - a story about life and death
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Brandon Rice
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the image has a ghostly look to it, so I am asking if that's what you want the look to be 
VersuS
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actually it goes like a thunder.....its not a filter I ll be keeping....it's light....and to be honest...we werent looking of doing something like that...I have no clue how this flash came during shooting....I was going through the footage and saw it...and got myself a nice way to use it....
VersuS
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Ok, things have been slow lately, havent done much work I must admit....
However I am ready to face this weekend (it's Friday afternoon here)...
I went by the video store to rend CSI Season 5...and decided to rend a few horror movies as well....and it struck me...
I got Lost Boys (I am terribly ashamed for not having it in my collection already coz I LOVE this film - yes , we loved Kiefer long before Jack Bauer)
So I ll be doing some research with Lost Boys (I consider it one of the best vampire films)...before we shoot our remaining scenes (they include the climax-ending) next week.
However I am ready to face this weekend (it's Friday afternoon here)...
I went by the video store to rend CSI Season 5...and decided to rend a few horror movies as well....and it struck me...
I got Lost Boys (I am terribly ashamed for not having it in my collection already coz I LOVE this film - yes , we loved Kiefer long before Jack Bauer)
So I ll be doing some research with Lost Boys (I consider it one of the best vampire films)...before we shoot our remaining scenes (they include the climax-ending) next week.
Matt Sconce
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VersuS said:
Good luck with all of this! I hope it all goes well!
Matt Sconce
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VersuS said:
Very cool! I am also trying to figure credits out. I look forward to seeing yours!
cinealma
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That's the ***** about this project. I LOVE opening credit sequences. But with only 6 minutes to work with, even only a measley 30 SECONDS of credit time is almost 10% of your total running time. So, I think's it going to hard unless you can pull of a spectacular WHAM! BAM! 10 second intro. Doable, but tough.
John G.
John G.
VersuS
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Houston, we have a problem.....
Ok so far the credits/opening sequence seems to be going my way...which is a huge relief...and I am glad that I don't have lots of tools and know lots of programs because I prefer to keep my options to a limited number...
So what's the problem you might ask? Well...I haven't reached a definite ending for my script....I keep changing it...I know where it will be (location is planned)....I know the characters involved...I have a clear picture for most of it...but since it will be the big climax I don't want to spread my seed on this one (that's a discreet way of putting it don't you think?)....
So a quick poll....does a horror film work better with a positive ending or should it follow a grim and gritty path? Or should we leave everything open?
Anyone? What's your view on this one...
Ok so far the credits/opening sequence seems to be going my way...which is a huge relief...and I am glad that I don't have lots of tools and know lots of programs because I prefer to keep my options to a limited number...
So what's the problem you might ask? Well...I haven't reached a definite ending for my script....I keep changing it...I know where it will be (location is planned)....I know the characters involved...I have a clear picture for most of it...but since it will be the big climax I don't want to spread my seed on this one (that's a discreet way of putting it don't you think?)....
So a quick poll....does a horror film work better with a positive ending or should it follow a grim and gritty path? Or should we leave everything open?
Anyone? What's your view on this one...
I think its up to you.
what do YOU want the viewer to come away with,
feel,
think,
say to someone right after,
say to someone the next week,
think about next time they are alone in the dark or hear a bump in the night.
But basically what do you want them to think and feel as the credits roll. I think we've all seen happy endings and where the right people live and have a new beginning and tragedies where everyone gets it.
Here are your 4 possible story outcomes BTW, and it may help you to think of it in these terms.
1) Success / Good
2) Success / Bad
3) Failure / Bad
4) Failure / Good
Success or Failure refers to the main characters goals and whether she achieves them or not. Good or Bad refers to the audience judgement on that outcome.
So in 1) Success / Good (maybe the most common) The character sets out to achieve something - say, getting the girl, and at the end he achieves it and the audience thinks this is good.
2) Success / Bad: The Character gets what they want but the cost is too high. Say, the character sets out to and eventually becomes the biggest star in the world. Along the way however, she denies her roots, alienates her friends, and has become entirely narcissistic. (rare)
3) Failure / Bad: Nobody gets what they want and we think this is a bad thing.
4) Failure / Good: (My Favorite) The Character does not get what they want and we see this as a good thing. Say the character wants to a great novelist. She never gets her chance and gets stuck tutoring at a special needs school. 40 years later and she is ready for retirement, has never written a novel, but has had an incredibly rich life that has touched many others. The key to this one is that the Protag learns something and the audience will value that growth more than they would achieving the explicit goal. Ibsen's A Doll House is a great example. Nora wants to keep her marriage together and fails as she leaves her husband AND children at the end of the play. The audience is supposed to think this is a good thing because she learns at the end of the play that her husband was not the man she and the audience thought he was and that their relationship is based on a fallacy. As such, the audience is mean to value truth over the blind adherence to the original goal.
what do YOU want the viewer to come away with,
feel,
think,
say to someone right after,
say to someone the next week,
think about next time they are alone in the dark or hear a bump in the night.
But basically what do you want them to think and feel as the credits roll. I think we've all seen happy endings and where the right people live and have a new beginning and tragedies where everyone gets it.
Here are your 4 possible story outcomes BTW, and it may help you to think of it in these terms.
1) Success / Good
2) Success / Bad
3) Failure / Bad
4) Failure / Good
Success or Failure refers to the main characters goals and whether she achieves them or not. Good or Bad refers to the audience judgement on that outcome.
So in 1) Success / Good (maybe the most common) The character sets out to achieve something - say, getting the girl, and at the end he achieves it and the audience thinks this is good.
2) Success / Bad: The Character gets what they want but the cost is too high. Say, the character sets out to and eventually becomes the biggest star in the world. Along the way however, she denies her roots, alienates her friends, and has become entirely narcissistic. (rare)
3) Failure / Bad: Nobody gets what they want and we think this is a bad thing.
4) Failure / Good: (My Favorite) The Character does not get what they want and we see this as a good thing. Say the character wants to a great novelist. She never gets her chance and gets stuck tutoring at a special needs school. 40 years later and she is ready for retirement, has never written a novel, but has had an incredibly rich life that has touched many others. The key to this one is that the Protag learns something and the audience will value that growth more than they would achieving the explicit goal. Ibsen's A Doll House is a great example. Nora wants to keep her marriage together and fails as she leaves her husband AND children at the end of the play. The audience is supposed to think this is a good thing because she learns at the end of the play that her husband was not the man she and the audience thought he was and that their relationship is based on a fallacy. As such, the audience is mean to value truth over the blind adherence to the original goal.
VersuS
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Thanx Jack! That was very well put. However, I never really thought of my stories and these two in particular, this way......What I mean is I never saw my stories in a way of success/failure (by the way I knew about the 4 categories but it's because they might not apply here I was asking for some guidance)...
Generally with my stories I am trying to puzzle rather than give a clear view of what is happening /has happened.
This is because I live my life always through a WHAT IF scenario...and think of the things we do in a multi-level dimension....
I think that I will probably go for the 'nobody wins with a slight bit of hope' story....
As for your opening statement....what will the audience think,feel,say....If only there were people so intrigued by my stories that they would talk about them....I know that technically I am below medium and my experience is....nada...but I believe in my stories....
PS. when the time comes...watch carefully 'love is the most deceptive feeling', I prefer the story in that one, 'The door between' is not so deep in meaning, more of your typical vampire film...lost boys meet blade while interviewing the vampire.....
Generally with my stories I am trying to puzzle rather than give a clear view of what is happening /has happened.
This is because I live my life always through a WHAT IF scenario...and think of the things we do in a multi-level dimension....
I think that I will probably go for the 'nobody wins with a slight bit of hope' story....
As for your opening statement....what will the audience think,feel,say....If only there were people so intrigued by my stories that they would talk about them....I know that technically I am below medium and my experience is....nada...but I believe in my stories....
PS. when the time comes...watch carefully 'love is the most deceptive feeling', I prefer the story in that one, 'The door between' is not so deep in meaning, more of your typical vampire film...lost boys meet blade while interviewing the vampire.....
Well if your protag doesn't want anything tangible and/or we never understand what that is then all bets are off and we have antiplot, which is fine, but otherwise it's impossible for the 4 not to apply.
And for the other point, it was not so much what do you want the buzz to be about your film, but just what effect do you want it to have on the audience member.
Hooray Happy ending?
Tsk Tsk, you are really psycho and i can't believe you made that or that I sat through all of it.
Wow that was really depressing.
Etc.
So less about them running out and saying this or that, but even if you are more David Lynch than David Lynch where even the filmmaker can't say exactly what the film is about, it's still a communicative process between the filmmaker (encoder) and audience (decoder) and you want to effect them in some way right? So what do you want them to take away as their personal experience from the film? That's your ending.
And for the other point, it was not so much what do you want the buzz to be about your film, but just what effect do you want it to have on the audience member.
Hooray Happy ending?
Tsk Tsk, you are really psycho and i can't believe you made that or that I sat through all of it.
Wow that was really depressing.
Etc.
So less about them running out and saying this or that, but even if you are more David Lynch than David Lynch where even the filmmaker can't say exactly what the film is about, it's still a communicative process between the filmmaker (encoder) and audience (decoder) and you want to effect them in some way right? So what do you want them to take away as their personal experience from the film? That's your ending.
haha!
you go then!
you go then!
VersuS
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I finished the story and the script as well! Found myself an ending I like, its the approach I was thinking of from the very beginning...I just hope it works out well coz the last scenes are the essence of the film.
We are going to try and plan them as thorough as possible and be prepared. They are supposed to be night scenes but since we have no lights, we ll probably shoot just before sundown and play with filters/cc afterwards....I am just crossing my fingers here.....
We are going to try and plan them as thorough as possible and be prepared. They are supposed to be night scenes but since we have no lights, we ll probably shoot just before sundown and play with filters/cc afterwards....I am just crossing my fingers here.....
