Everything I know about mics so far.

My last wedding the audio was good except when the singers hit some very Hi loud notes my audio clipped and sounded lousy. I was quickly trying to adjust the small recessed dials on the DVX and just didn't get it. I was thinking the mixer would be a great help in this.
 
I wasn't sure about the premix. I found a good price at a uh, online site, not
sure if it's reputable, but uh, found it just the same:

http://www.djmart.com/shure-fp24-amplifier.html

Anyone know of a good, practical snake to purchase for this premix? I'd like to see a pic, compare prices
with other snakes, just not sure where to start.

Thanks for the help.

Charli
 
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Charli said:
Anyone know of a good, practical snake to purchase for this premix? I'd like to see a pic, compare prices
with other snakes, just not sure where to start.

Thanks for the help.

Charli
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Contact MattinSTL for things like that. Best cables I've ever used.

-Jeremy
 
Charli... I don't wanna' do snakes... but I'll do your XLR cables.

Snakes are high $ and the cable is too high $ to stock it... I can turn around most XLR cables in a day though... with the exception of a couple people recently that caught me at the end of a box of connectors.

I've been charging people the same price as Markertek gets for their generic Star Quad cables... I'm doing mine in Musilux, which is half the impedence, resistance, capacitance of Star Quad... and it's got a 100% flexible shield... but there are those who may still prefer SQ... and that's fine. Selling these at Markertek prices isn't making me any money... the option is just there for those who want it. A cable from me will come at the true length of cable between connectors (unless otherwise specified) so that a 10' cable is 10' of cable between connectors... and it's expertly soldered with silver... and then terminated with the latest Neutrik XLRs... just check Markertek prices and you have mine. Cables under 5' add $1... the rest are matched. Black/Gold connectors add $1.25 per end... color coded ends add $1.50 per cable. The cable itself can be black or blue Musilux. I've never had a problem with any electrical interference and I doubt anybody else will either, but that is the reason given for SQ configurations... Musilux handles potential RFI/EMI with a 100% shield... if this is a concern for you then get SQ. If you check Markertek's "digital" XLR cables... which sell for between $12-$20 MORE then their generic SQ cables you will see that they use a higher end Canare cable which is NOT SQ, but they use it for it's improved specs... which happen to be pretty damn close to the specs on Musilux... and even though the Musilux costs me 35% more then SQ I'm still selling at Markertek generic SQ prices. At this time I'd prefer to just do XLR cables though... I don't have too much time to get into a wider variety then that just yet. (stocking various connectors, etc)
 
Rush said:
The higher end mixers have clean preamps. The lower end ones don't have a decent one, if any. Soundevices, is the best from what I have seen. Been on more Hollywood sets in the past 2 months than in my whole life, and every audio guy had Soundevices. It was crazy, almost cultish, but every one of them told me they sold whatever old mixer they had to get the sound devices after they heard the recordings.
http://www.sounddevices.com/products/index.html
They are very pricey, but worth it.
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Ditto,
I bought the SD 302 mixer, having plenty of experience w/the Shure FP-33.....I will never go back! :)
 
Matt - I sent you a pm about the cables the other day. Let me know total
price and I can send you paypal money.

Charli
 
Ok, I have to ask, and learn, whats a snake?

Ok, I have to ask, and learn, whats a snake?

I'm sold on the 302 in the future. I imagine a snake is a mulitple cable setup or what? "This post is great info.


I just found out what a snake is on another post. Thanks for your help with mixers mics.
 
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This can be a snake:

mqbac_mix_s.jpg


Or this can be a snake:

url
http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/store/hosa/pic/XRM800.jpg

It's a combination of cables worked into one, fat "snake-like" cable.
 
I have a ways to go with all this new stuff. :-) You might get a laugh out of this one. I used my new boom pole last year with my me66 and the wireless transmitter attached to mic a church event at easter. Been wondering what hardware I would need to cable it and be able to monitor while booming. This information is great. Now I just need the money, :-). Have to add stuff alittle at a time. But I have come along way already.
 
I keepo hearing bad things about the Sennheiser ME66/K6 combo for use with the DVX. Got it. However, would that mic work with the DVC60? I'm shopping for mics and the DVC is actually the one I need to mic first.
 
mystico said:
I keepo hearing bad things about the Sennheiser ME66/K6 combo for use with the DVX. Got it. However, would that mic work with the DVC60? I'm shopping for mics and the DVC is actually the one I need to mic first.
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If you look back five or six years the ME66 was a great mic at a great price. Now when you look at the competition and the improvement in audio quality the ME66 is an overpriced microphone that does not perform as well as some cheaper solutions.

In a straight forward A/B test we ran about six months ago with an ME66 and a Rode NTG1 the Rode sounded better, the levels work better with Panasonic circuitry, and most importantly, it is almost half the price.

If the ME66 was selling at $250 for the complete ME66/K6 kit then it would be more of a contender, but at $400+ it is not a viable solution for any professional sound use. Furthermore, the actual sound of the ME66 is very thin and just not pleasing to the ear. I recommend doing a search through some of the various threads that list different microphone kits because for under $100 more than the ME66 you can get the AT4073a which has become my personal go to shotgun microphone.

Then again, this is Matt's 'Everything I know about mics so far' thread, so maybe he should chime in on this.

-Jeremy
 
Thanks so much for the help guys...THIS SITE IS GREAT.... I'm going with the AT 4073 and the Oktava mk012, with Rycote BBG + Jammer and K-Tek KSSM with soft bands...Quick question, out of curiosity, MattinSTL and The Yankee what editing software do you use, FCP or Vegas or....and if you are running through a mixer, does it really matter which editing software you use, or is one more compatable with the other etc.....I just finished reading all 18 pages and will now go look for thread on mixers, but was still curious as to editing software you two use....

Thanks again guys, I'll buy you a beer if I'm ever in your neck of the woods...

Steve
 
it depends on what you're doing.. those are image editors, so Im not sure I get your question really. Im sure jeremy will chime in.

Tim
 
timapter said:
Im sure jeremy will chime in.

Tim
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Tim knows me too well...

I use Vegas but it doesn't matter what program you are using when it comes to audio. I like Vegas because it integrates perfectly with SoundForge which I have used since Ver.1.0. As Tim said, Vegas is an image editor, but it has some solid audio control, but ultimately any editor will work with sound...

If you're looking for the best / most professional sound editor system then that is a full on TDM Protool System, but Vegas or any other editor will yield acceptable results.

I don't use FCP because I don't have a mac anymore and when I did my Mac wouldn't run FCP.

-Jeremy
 
Pulling trigger

Pulling trigger

Guys, I've poured over this thread for the last week and boy what a ride! What a fabulous group. As Yankee said (and he's included - "you've saved me thousands"). How does one ever say thanks to such a selfless group of pros. This absolutely positively needs to be sticky'd.

After digesting all, I'm out pursuing a blue line 93/98 setup with K-tek ssm and Rykote bbg & windjammer. I'd love to go with the Oktava's but I'll be using all green crews (high school kids) and the noise issue (thanks wabbit & Joe) scares me badly. The set's gonna have to cover a wide range of venues, from stage to run -n-gun. Since a 416's out of range. . . . My only hesitation at this point is what Yankee hasn't said - he loved his AKG's, then in post #94 it had a glitch, now he's back to Octava & AT4073a - was there a problem - what changed your mind????

I'm starting from zero so I'm hoping MattinSTL will do me some Musilux cables, I'll be feeding a FX1, so I'm looking for suggestions on dealing with phantom power and adapters 'till I can afford a Mixpre. (Gad, I want it all - NOW! Charli - did your dimart deal work out???). Any & all suggestions, comments, razberrys, deal sites & cautions appreciated.

Sorry for the ramble, a lot of this probably should have been pm'd, but I figured others would want to know. Thanks again !!!!
 
I had a reputable on-line company MATCH the price, so I did not buy this at djmart, I bought it at EVS for $569 - yes, it was a steal of a price, I caught them on a good day, so it worked for me. It's always a good idea to ask good companies if they can go lower when you find a low price.

I have an Oktava bello nero and just got my rebate money to buy the 4073a, already bought the softie for it. I'm going to buy one more mic after that and then I'm done, for now.

I have a truckload of cables still to buy.

Charli
 

For those who may look at last page to see if consensus has been developed (like I did), I read this whole thread, did a lot of research and shopped around a lot…and this is what I went with and paid. I still have a couple of questions towards bottom of post, and certainly would like others thoughts in general.

This is slightly different line-up than recommended by others….

AT 4073A shotgun mic : $481 from Roscar http://www.dvwonline.com/ $70 cheaper than others. They did have to get it direct from AT, so it will take a little longer to get but....

Sony 7056 headphones: $87 from roscar....$12 cheaper than other places

AT 8415 Boom Pool shock mount: $47 from Roscar: Couple of bucks cheaper than other places

Total shipping for above was $12

Oktava mk012 Indoor Mic: soundroom http://sound-room.com/customer/home.php
$163.35 for mic, $173.10 with shipping, make sure to ask for 5% DVXuser discount.

K-TEK KE-89 7'6" BOOM POLE: 169.95 B&H http://www.bhphotovideo.com/
They have it for $179.95 but will match evsonline if you ask.

Rycote 22mm BBG (baby ball gag) for noise reduction : $124.95 from B&H

Rycote 12cm Softie for shotgun (medium ) for noise reduction: B&H $109.95

Shipping for above was $8……And overall I think EVSonline would have matched it……

Total Costs: $1,223

Still saving for: (Windjammer for AT4073a) $125

Total cost would be $1,350



Other issues and questions:

I did not buy a shock mount for my camera, the guy at EVS actually said it may give more of a shadow than the mic mount on the side of the camera, and overall said I should put it towards a universal boom pole shock mount. The only thing I think I remember hearing is that the shotgun mic may pick up more camera noises by just using the camera mount rather than the shock mount but the EVS guy said that wouldn’t really be the case. Can someone speak to this? Overall, since I am on limited budget, this just got bumped down the priority list…and in fact, if I were to spend $130 on noise reduction issues, I would spend it on the windjammer (extra protection above and beyond BBG-Baby Ball Gag for those like me, who were wondering what all this meant) rather than an on camera shockmount….thinking (perhaps incorrectly) that the windjammer would offset noise to the same degree as shock mount indoors and then you also get benefit of product you can use outdoors in windy conditions (I plan on doing lots of interviews outdoors, and a windjammer will be my next purchase)

I went with the K-Teck KE-89 instead of the 1100 because it was cheaper and should still fit my needs.

I did not buy a windjammer for the Octava mic because it is an indoor mic, and although everyon MUST/SHOULD use a BBG at all times with it, since it is indoors, I figured I would save my money to buy the windjammer for the AT4073a.

I also did not buy the shure hi pass filter…From what I understand, the mics will have a hi pass filter option on them, and while I am sure the pass filter would be even better, but I am saving the money I would have spent for a mixer.

EVS and B&H seem to often match each other and seem to carry everything…while discount video warehouse had smoking deals on the many things they do carry.
 
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