Frame Grabs with CC critique please?
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Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Yes... I was holding the camera actually... standing outside the car window... we wanted to synthasize a helicopter shot...
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Ok, in an effort to stop this threadjacking, I have removed the link to the clip... hope the person I posted that for got to take a look... otherwise, PM me.. we'll chat...
jgastelb
Well-known member
The only thing that bothered me a little bit was the midi synthesized music. Now I use midi all the time since my first discipline is music composition but there are certain things that can be done to not yell out synthesizers in your score. Sorry! Not trying to rain on your parade but that's what I heard. The visuals and orange sunset look with the silohuette are great.
Jgastelb
Jgastelb
Scientifically man, making a DVX look like 35mm film just aint gonna happen. Consider the following points:
1) The resolution of 35mm blows any Digital cam. I have seen out of the water. Save maybe some camera
that none of us would ever dream of affording. It certainly blows Standard def. MiniDV out of the water.
2) Film negative is extremely forgiving of lighting errors compared to video. Kodak says on their website
that Color negative film can be over or under exposed by up to 2 stops and still look quite presentable.
This gives film such an unfair advantage, it isnt even funny. Try underexposing the DVX by 2 stops....yikes.
Therefore, you will have to be a serious lighting whiz kid to light it like film and get Hollywood-style results.
3) The contrast range of film is WAY deeper than the DVX. I heard somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong) that the DVX range was like 5-6 stops.
The high-end HD Cams have like 10 stops. Film has even higher than that, though I'm not sure how high, it's at least double
the range of the DVX (or MiniDV in general) , and possibly triple that.
But anyways, if all you want to do put stuff straight to DVD, you may come closer than doing it any other route.
1) The resolution of 35mm blows any Digital cam. I have seen out of the water. Save maybe some camera
that none of us would ever dream of affording. It certainly blows Standard def. MiniDV out of the water.
2) Film negative is extremely forgiving of lighting errors compared to video. Kodak says on their website
that Color negative film can be over or under exposed by up to 2 stops and still look quite presentable.
This gives film such an unfair advantage, it isnt even funny. Try underexposing the DVX by 2 stops....yikes.
Therefore, you will have to be a serious lighting whiz kid to light it like film and get Hollywood-style results.
3) The contrast range of film is WAY deeper than the DVX. I heard somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong) that the DVX range was like 5-6 stops.
The high-end HD Cams have like 10 stops. Film has even higher than that, though I'm not sure how high, it's at least double
the range of the DVX (or MiniDV in general) , and possibly triple that.
But anyways, if all you want to do put stuff straight to DVD, you may come closer than doing it any other route.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Stop talking about "technically" and watch the footage! Footage speaks louder than generalizations and theories...
And jgastelb, I know about the music... our composer is still working hard on it
And jgastelb, I know about the music... our composer is still working hard on it
Filmjunkie677
Master of Horror
Lakmir0,
I've been reading your posts in this thread. You have nothing helpful or constructive to say. All your doing is trolling and starting arguments that benefit nobody. Get a life and stay out of the thread if all your going to do is yap about how real film is better. Its old and we've all heard it before. Yeah, yeah, film is better then video, yeah, yeah. None of us care. You've missed the boat.
None of us want to hear it.
I've been reading your posts in this thread. You have nothing helpful or constructive to say. All your doing is trolling and starting arguments that benefit nobody. Get a life and stay out of the thread if all your going to do is yap about how real film is better. Its old and we've all heard it before. Yeah, yeah, film is better then video, yeah, yeah. None of us care. You've missed the boat.
None of us want to hear it.
ZombieSquid
Well-known member
Maybe if someone could talk about the frame grab or the clip that I posted when I started this thread?....Or I could just continue to sob with my head in my hands.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Sorry man... got a little off track there... back to your framegrab... any more comments?
MalcolmOng
Veteran
Well, i tried cc'ing it myself, but i realised that i couldnt get a result that was a) not already done, and b) practical to apply for video, so i gave up...sorry... It is a nice grab tho
ZombieSquid
Well-known member
Has anyone watched the freaking clip!?!?!?
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
sorry didn't see it. downloading now.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Nice DOF on those CU's on the gun!
ZombieSquid
Well-known member
Thanks Hoss!
Drew Ott
Wish I were banned.
I was asked how I did my grab...
I have Sony Vegas. I added every color correction effect that is has and tweaked every single category to what looked best by my eye. I kind of tried to remove the greenish tint and went for straight up generic color, but with good color.
I'm not a big fan of heavy stylized looks, so when I want to use one, this is what I do.
I'll tweak a clip so that it looks pretty stylized or however I want it to look. I will put this clip under the original that is corrected to look generic, and set both opacities to 50%. 50% may not work and you might need 25/75 or 40/60, whatever.
This just helps me remember not to go overboard on a stylized look because I've learned that too much stylized video will get on peoples' nerves, even if it is super cool for the first 5 minutes.
I have Sony Vegas. I added every color correction effect that is has and tweaked every single category to what looked best by my eye. I kind of tried to remove the greenish tint and went for straight up generic color, but with good color.
I'm not a big fan of heavy stylized looks, so when I want to use one, this is what I do.
I'll tweak a clip so that it looks pretty stylized or however I want it to look. I will put this clip under the original that is corrected to look generic, and set both opacities to 50%. 50% may not work and you might need 25/75 or 40/60, whatever.
This just helps me remember not to go overboard on a stylized look because I've learned that too much stylized video will get on peoples' nerves, even if it is super cool for the first 5 minutes.
ZombieSquid
Well-known member
bballplaya283 said:
I totally agree! I also feel that a lot of people use a super stylized look to try and compensate for a lack of any real content or originality.
jgastelb
Well-known member
ZombieSquid,
The footage looks pretty good to me. The colors are fine. I would desaturate the skin tones a bit by bringing down the reds. That's just me. And that's actually the point here. Every person is going to tell you their version of what looks good or doesnt. If it's exposed and framed right then you can go so many routes here. In the end it's what feels natural to you. It's your vision so if you want it to be less stylized then that's the answer. If you want it more filmic, contrasty, soft, then that works fine as well. The story will carry everything provided you have decent image quality, good acting, and a point of view. That's all. I like the tension built on that scene.
p.s. What kind fo mic are you using? It sounds like hiss in the background.
Jgastelb
The footage looks pretty good to me. The colors are fine. I would desaturate the skin tones a bit by bringing down the reds. That's just me. And that's actually the point here. Every person is going to tell you their version of what looks good or doesnt. If it's exposed and framed right then you can go so many routes here. In the end it's what feels natural to you. It's your vision so if you want it to be less stylized then that's the answer. If you want it more filmic, contrasty, soft, then that works fine as well. The story will carry everything provided you have decent image quality, good acting, and a point of view. That's all. I like the tension built on that scene.
p.s. What kind fo mic are you using? It sounds like hiss in the background.
Jgastelb
Lakmir0 said:Ok man, your cc is good but its lacking a bit...here is a comparison for you to ponder...this is all subjective but hell, i'll have fun with it.
Your original
Your CC
My rendition of CC
Maybe it's nuiance stuff, i dont know.
the "your cc" reminds me of the colors I saw on "Man on Fire" with denzel washington so if you're going for that look then yeah, but overall I like the wamness of the rendition of CC picture. But form does follow function so it depends what mood you are going for. What was it shot on btw?
borgkingkong
Active member
Lakmir0 said:Ok man, your cc is good but its lacking a bit...here is a comparison for you to ponder...this is all subjective but hell, i'll have fun with it.
Your original
Your CC
My rendition of CC
Maybe it's nuiance stuff, i dont know.
NICE, the first one was a tad greenish (though I tend to do mine like that as well)
the second one is much nicer.. !
ZombieSquid
Well-known member
Its really funny that you would mention Man on Fire, because the day before I shot that footage I watched Domino with some friends, and that's why we got bored and shot a scene with everyone waving guns around. Here is something else that I did that night goofing around with the footage:
http://www.zombiesquid.com/video/dominoeffect.wmv
3.6MB Windows Media
http://www.zombiesquid.com/video/dominoeffect.wmv
3.6MB Windows Media