A couple personal reviews...

darwinandpaine

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I've been buying equipment like a madman lately, and I thought it might be valuable to share my opinions (perhaps not, but let's see).

Cavision MB4169H-2M Hard Shade, 2 filter stage matte box and 4 x4, 5 filter set
http://www.cavision.com/matteboxes/4x5hs/4x5hs.htm
http://www.cavision.com/filters/cavision.htm
I had bought from Cavision before and felt comfortable buying this matte box from them. But, when I got it, I was really impressed by the quality. It feels solid and is well designed. It takes 4 x 4 and and 4 x 5.65 filter trays and one of those filters can rotate 360 degrees -- the other being fixed in position. I got it with the French and side flags and also bought their 4 x4, 5 filter set with it (ND Grad, Blue Grad, Orange Grad, Soft Mist, and Polarizer). The filters come in individual carrying cases that velcro shut and the filters themselves are wrapped in soft cloth inside. Altogether a great package for the price IMO (around $900 for everything). Highly recommended!
NOTE: With the French and side flags on this thing, the HVX looks absolutely awesome. http://15minuteslatermovie.com/hvxrig.html

Flolight Flo-1400
http://flolight.com/flo1400.htm
On Jared's recommendation, I decided to purchase a Flolight. I have a Lowel Caselight and Scandle and am sold on florescent lighting. The appeal of the Flolight is its price. For $499 you can get a light with a CRI of 86 that puts out 28,800 lumens and uses only 330 watts (i.e.; it runs pretty cool). It uses six 55 watt biax lamps (switchable in pairs) and comes with an egg crate and diffuser. To me, the switchable pairs, egg crate and diffuser make it almost as good as a dimmable light (though admittedly more of a pain).
My first thought when I received it, was that it looked a little low rent. It's no Kino, and it's doesn't even come close to my Lowel's in terms of looking "professional." However, it certainly does the job. The light is big, broad, soft and quite beautiful.
On the downside, you cannot focus the light (obviously), and it doesn't come with barn doors, etc... The light doesn't come with a case either, so that's something to factor in (btw, the good people at Flolight tell me that they are working on cases for these lights, but they will add to the cost). The cord is also rather short and attached to the the unit. Finally, the light's power switches are on the light itself, making it difficult to turn on and off when placed up a ways. And, there is no one on/off switch to turn all of them on or off at once (all of which I'm used to with my Lowels). These minor inconveniences aside, I can't complain. For $499, this is a terrific light. Highly recommended for low budget shooters.

NOTE: I'm not, in any way, connected with either of these companies. Nor do I have any kind of deal with these companies to provide good reviews of their products on sites like this. I just feel like I've gotten so much from DVXUser.com and all of the people here who have been so helpful, that I wanted to give a little something back. Enjoy!
 
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Thanks for the info on the Flolight. I've been considering going flourescent myself. Your post reinforces my inclination to move in that direction.

Were you using daylight balanced tubes or tungsten?
Jim
 
Jim Carswell said:
Thanks for the info on the Flolight. I've been considering going flourescent myself. Your post reinforces my inclination to move in that direction.

Were you using daylight balanced tubes or tungsten?
Jim

I'm using almost nothing but Daylight balanced lights now. It's just so convenient. First, you don't have to gel them. Second, you don't lose light output from gelling them. And (I forgot to mention this, thinking that everyone would know), the flourescent lights put out much more light per watt than tungsten's do. So, although this light is only drawing around 300 watts, the output is equivalent to about 1400 watts tungsten. The big advantages here are that your electric bill won't soar (as much), you won't be blowing circuits, and your talent won't melt.
 
Ya know, I saw this sometime ago, and wondered how they might stand up against Arri. I have Seen so many shows, reality and sitcoms using these.

With your experience using them, do you think that you would work with these, than with lets say Arri?
 
Too late for as far as the matte box, but I've been bugging Kino flo to purchase used lights from them.

The Flolight seems like an excellent alternative. Did you chooose the 3200K or the 5200K?

Why didn't you choose the dimming model? Does the color cool as the lights dimm like they do with tungston?
 
That cavision setup (except no filter package) is what I was looking at. I am giving redrock one more month before cavision gains another mattbox customer. Great to hear you like the cavision! I was impressed with thier low cost/ nice quality ratio!

Thanks for the post darwinandpaine
 
Thanks for the review. Forgetting the outward appearance of the various flo lighting kits, how would you say the actual light that is cast from the Flolight compares to the caselight or the kino?

Also I couldn't get the link to the cavision site to work?

Thanks again.
 
SurJones said:
Ya know, I saw this sometime ago, and wondered how they might stand up against Arri. I have Seen so many shows, reality and sitcoms using these.

With your experience using them, do you think that you would work with these, than with lets say Arri?

I think you need a complement of all kinds of lights. Sometimes you just have to have a focusable lens on the front of a light to get the effect you're going for. So these aren't the best lights in every situation.

What these lights do really well is give you a lot of light, thrown very broadly, with a nice, soft edge. They're great for bringing up the overall light level in a room. But they're big, hard to hide, and don't give you a lot of options as to how the light is cast.

BigMike said:
Too late for as far as the matte box, but I've been bugging Kino flo to purchase used lights from them.

The Flolight seems like an excellent alternative. Did you chooose the 3200K or the 5200K?

Why didn't you choose the dimming model? Does the color cool as the lights dimm like they do with tungston?

I went with 5200K. And as for the dimming... It was a money thing. I believe their dimming lights hold their color (what would be the point if they didn't). But like I said, with the switchable pairs, honey comb, and diffuser, I felt it was almost as good. And the one I bought was cheaper.

peter orland said:
Thanks for the review. Forgetting the outward appearance of the various flo lighting kits, how would you say the actual light that is cast from the Flolight compares to the caselight or the kino?

Also I couldn't get the link to the cavision site to work?

Thanks again.

The light is very similar to the Caselight and the Kino. It's basically a little taller than the Caselight, with two more bulbs --- so it's 50% brighter and the throw is a bit broader. But for convenience, nothing beats the Caselight. It's probably my overall favorite light.

Just go to Cavision.com and navigate your way to the matte boxes instead of using the link.

P.S.: If you guys would like, I'd be happy to give you some more reviews. Like I said, I've been spending money like a madman --- about $20,000 AFTER buying the HVX and P2 cards. So I've got a lot of stuff to give my opinions on.
 
Hi Darwin!

Hey you made my day with these reviews because I was perusing both of these nonstop.

Two big questions, on the Cavision how well do the French hoods stay put in their place once you clamp them down. I asked a similar quesiton to Barry in another post and he was super helpful.

I am moving around a lot and don't want the french hood coming down over my lens every five minutes. Also, did you get the CAVISION rod support and how well did they fit the HVX200?

My last question is regarding the flolight 1400. Chuck is a good guy, and I am really tempted to get one. But I was wondering, despite the lack of barn doors, does the egg crate do an okay job of keeping the light beam harnessed in and not to stray?

Thanks darwin for sharing!!! I am trying to get some time to finish off my review of the Tortlerig X, and I have my new tripod here tomorrow so I'll be sure this beaver shares. heheheh

Have a great day!
 
Hey Beave (I've always want to say, or type, that),
The new mechanism for the French flag is terrific. I had their old "Bellows-" style matte box years ago, and keeping the French flag in place was a bit of a chore. Not so with this new design. It's much better.

As for the light, the egg crate doesn't really control the spread so much as it kind of breaks it up. You'd definitely need to flag the sides if you're needing that much control. Again, these lights just spread their light out all over the place. Great for bringing up the overall light in a room. Not so great for control.

Now, you go have a great day.
 
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Darwin, I talked to the guys at Cavision and they got a good thing goin' except for that $50 for ground shipping from BC to Oregon on a 4 pound parcel.

Still nice stuff and I think its a great value, but in the end, it came down to a solid hood and something portability in the field, and being I only have maybe 3 to four essential filters the Cinetactics Mattblox HD wound up being my choice.

Besides Greg at Cinetactics is just too cool for school!
 
Flash Beaver said:
Darwin, I talked to the guys at Cavision and they got a good thing goin' except for that $50 for ground shipping from BC to Oregon on a 4 pound parcel.

Still nice stuff and I think its a great value, but in the end, it came down to a solid hood and something portability in the field, and being I only have maybe 3 to four essential filters the Cinetactics Mattblox HD wound up being my choice.

Besides Greg at Cinetactics is just too cool for school!

Whatever blows your skirt up.
 
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