Weddings shot in 60i or 24p...

Ian Slessor

Ian Slessor

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OK, now that I have your attention.

I'm thinking of shooting the wedding I'm doing tomorrow in 24p (my first, btw)

Would I be able to shoot 24p and only capture my slomo bits in 60i for aforementioned slomo editing?

Will this work with appropriate shutter rate tweaking?

Or, perhaps I would be better served shooting in 30p as a compromise?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

sincerely,


ian
 
I think it's important to realize the time it would take to stop record, and switch to 60i (or any other mode) for you slow motion. And then, to return to 24.

I shoot weddings in 60i partially because of the flexibility. I could do slow/fast/etc. with the 'best' result. Also, my second camera only shot in 60i.

Anyhow, I'm not sure most clients would see a major difference between 60i and 24. Sure, I feel that ideal to shoot 24 (maybe someday I'll have _two_ DVXs). But 60i is a safe bet, easy slow motion. Matches to other cameras easily.

To really go for slow-motion in 24, I think during a wedding I'd choose 60i. I've done 30p for my slow in other projects. It works very well, but you mainly have one good choice. It could come out sloppy, I think. 60i is more information to work with, no?
 
You may want to consdier 60i. Here's why: there many different things that go on in a wedding. The ceremony may be slow, but the reception can be really upbeat. Dancing, throwing the garter etc..

You also want to be able to grab all of the fun, spontanious moments in a wedding that really make it special. Also, if you are thinking that at any time you may want 60i, then SHOOT 60i the whole time. With some tweaking, you can achieve a pretty good 24p look.

It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
 
bpotter said:
You may want to consdier 60i. Here's why: there many different things that go on in a wedding. The ceremony may be slow, but the reception can be really upbeat. Dancing, throwing the garter etc..

You also want to be able to grab all of the fun, spontanious moments in a wedding that really make it special. Also, if you are thinking that at any time you may want 60i, then SHOOT 60i the whole time. With some tweaking, you can achieve a pretty good 24p look.

It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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like my previous post, ...60i is a better resolution to work with..
if you have 30i ...that will be good..
if not..
than 60i is better for doing slow and fast motion editing.
as for progressive..is only good for short film
 
What do you mean by "resolution"? It has better temporal resolution, but not spatial resolution. 480p beats 480i for picture resolution any day.

No one has 30i -- I assume you mean 30p?

I also assume by "progressive," you mean 24p? It has many creative uses other than narrative film.

24p adds a very nice romantic feel to wedding footage.
 
Another thing about shooting 24PA, if you want a true 24P DVD, you'd have to log every take in order to get the proper cadence. This would be a pain.
 
Here's what I suggest you do; if you like the look of 24p (which is great for weddings in my opinion; and fast-paced dancing in a wedding is no problem at 24p), than you can accomplish it many ways. You can set one scene-file setting exactly the same as your primary scene file, except it's 60i. So, when you want slow-mo; simply switch scene files, and you'll get 60i immediately for slow-mo.

Or, you can shoot everything in 60i, and use certain parts as slo-mo in 24p, and convert the rest of the 60i footage into 24 fps; which shouldn't look too bad if you do it right.

Both methods are pretty good; except the latter one requires more work, and may not look as good. And, how hard is it to switch scene fles, to get immediate 60i? Just look for a magical moment which you want to be in slow mo; and go for it. If you want less slow-motion; then set 30p for another scene file.
 
Dooser Harrison said:
Another thing about shooting 24PA, if you want a true 24P DVD, you'd have to log every take in order to get the proper cadence. This would be a pain.
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That depends on your software.
 
Dooser Harrison said:
Another thing about shooting 24PA, if you want a true 24P DVD, you'd have to log every take in order to get the proper cadence. This would be a pain.
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WOw, are there really still editors that do this? I can't believe it, I thought pretty much every modern day editor could handle 24p at this point, or am I just living in the vegas utopia where nary a 24p problem exists.

As for shooting a wedding, I'm not doing weddings any more, but during my 2 years of shooting weddings, I did approxamatly 25, all done in 24P except 1 which I shot 30P for some reason. The reason I shot 24p, as soon as people saw the final products I got more and more people asking me to shoot weddings (and I still do to this day, which I quickly give a firm no way in hell :) ) becasue they wanted their wedding to look like a "movie" as it was so aptly put. So it's up to you, shoot 60i like every other wedding videographer out there, or do something differnent and challenging that bring, in my opinion, superior results.
 
scharky said:
WOw, are there really still editors that do this? I can't believe it, I thought pretty much every modern day editor could handle 24p at this point, or am I just living in the vegas utopia where nary a 24p problem exists.

As for shooting a wedding, I'm not doing weddings any more, but during my 2 years of shooting weddings, I did approxamatly 25, all done in 24P except 1 which I shot 30P for some reason. The reason I shot 24p, as soon as people saw the final products I got more and more people asking me to shoot weddings (and I still do to this day, which I quickly give a firm no way in hell :) ) becasue they wanted their wedding to look like a "movie" as it was so aptly put. So it's up to you, shoot 60i like every other wedding videographer out there, or do something differnent and challenging that bring, in my opinion, superior results.
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i think either 60i or 30i is the way to go .
if you want to edit it in post.
otherwise..got to get the plug in .
 
vocare said:
i think either 60i or 30i is the way to go .
if you want to edit it in post.
otherwise..got to get the plug in .
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I have seen your opinion before, but I still don't understand what "edit in post" is refering to. Look, if you want your footage to look like news footage shoot 60i, that's totally fine by me. If you want to do slow motion, use twixtor and shoot progressive. shooting 24P or 30P not only gives you higher resolution, but according to most wedding clients is much prefered over the nightly news look of the average wedding video.
 
Hey everyone,

The wedding went well. Everything important was captured although the podium where speeches were done was in front of a window so there was some backlight issues. Still, it worked out. I haven't looked at the footage yet, I've been busy finishing dance recitals. I hope to get the tapes captured some time this week. It'll be a full-day affair for that. *sigh*

FYI, I shot half and half with the footage and I think I'll regret it somewhat. The bride and groom prep and the ceremony were done in 60i and the rest in 24p.

D'oh! Lesson learned though.

Thanks for the encouragement David J and scharky re: 24p BTW, I'm using Vegas 6 for my NLE.

I know one thing. There's a shot during the photoshoot at a local park that is just....really nice. Done in 24p with the ND on full and zoomed in, the background (greenery and flowers) are nicely out of focus.

I hope that's not the only good shot in 10 tapes of footage. That would be ....disappointing. :)

I'll post some grabs in the coming week.

Thanks again to everyone who chimed in.

I think, all things considered, I'll follow the 24p advice and also use a file setting at 60i for my slomo.

As for Twixtor. David J., perhaps you can answer this question. Is Twixtor necessary when I'm using Vegas and shooting in 24p? Vegas does nice slomo in 60i but I haven't tried progressive footage yet. Opinion?

sincerely,


ian
 
It's not the progressivity of the footage that's the issue; it's the framerate. At a slow framerate like 24 fps, you only have so many motion samples to work with. You know that, in essence, the DVX snaps a picture 24 times a second, and then when you play the footage back, it's just like a flip movie; the 24 still pictures are displayed in a rapid sequence and the appearance of motion is given. Moving objects appear further apart from picture to picture at a slower framerate. That's OK if you play it back at the same rate you shot, but if you slow it down, the larger difference between pictures becomes more apparent, and that's why you get jerky slo-mo at slower framerates.

Twixtor helps, but I haven't used it extensively. I think scharky can speak to that better than I can.
 
Re: Twixtor.

Since I use Vegas is there a stand-alone version of Twixtor?

The company's download pages only seem to list versions that are compatible only with programs other than Vegas.

Or am I missing something?



ian
 
Ive only ever shot a weddings at 24pa and had great success. When I know I am going to do a slow mo, I will make sure the cam moves very slowly or follow the action from a more frontal position so sideways moevement is limited. Never had a problem.
 
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