Anyone else NOT looking forward to Superman Returns?

ROKOKO said:
I'm sure people will argue you can't tell from just clips, the entire score, 5 trailers, the cast, the set design and costume, the script points etc....I can.
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Well...like I 'splained to my wife... When you make a trailer/treaser/whateverer, you some of the good stuff and show it.

So...how bad will a film be if the trailer/teaser/whateverer sucks? Or, even if it doesn't downright suck, is just so-so.

Is it reasonable to expect the actual film to be better?
 
Brandon Routh is not a good actor. From those clips, there is no emotion, no heart no charisma. It is plain to see that he was chosen because of his looks.

PS Did you see the scene when he turned round to face the camera while he was holding up the plane?
 
The Machinist said:
This comment bugs me for the sole reason that Neo is a rip off of Superman.

They even say so in reloaded i mean come on!
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Well, I think he's referring to the constant upping the anti on crazy new special effects. The bullet in the eye thing is severly retarded.

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I'd say the comment had merit if the matrix was the first movie to have crazy special effects.

That's a trend that's been going on in one form or another since the inception of film.

It's just alot more sophisticated these days.


And i haven't seen the bullet-eye thing but it does sound ridiculous.
 
2doors said:
Brandon Routh is not a good actor. From those clips, there is no emotion, no heart no charisma. It is plain to see that he was chosen because of his looks.

PS Did you see the scene when he turned round to face the camera while he was holding up the plane?
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Glad to see you're passing judegement on his acting from a few clips and trailers.

How bout you wait until you see the entire film and then come back to the thread and enlighten us.

Why does it seem like everyone wants to hate this film?
 
Filmjunkie677 said:
Why does it seem like everyone wants to hate this film?
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I finally saw a trailer attached to Nacho Libre (which was hillarious) last night and it made me want to see the movie. It highlighted Kevin Spacey's lines a lot more than any other trailer I've seen and I am hooked!
 
The Machinist said:
I'd say the comment had merit if the matrix was the first movie to have crazy special effects.

That's a trend that's been going on in one form or another since the inception of film.

It's just alot more sophisticated these days.


And i haven't seen the bullet-eye thing but it does sound ridiculous.
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true, but the Matrix did introduce an entirely new special effect. I just think he was getting at movies that do little more than try to top others in that department.
 
Critics reviews also mean less now than they ever have before. A movie like the Empire Strikes Back got much harsher reviews in 1980 than Revenge of the Sith did because critics were more used to slice of life dramas back then--today almost every other movie is an action or comic book production--so lapses in plot and character are just shrugged off. And they all compete for a blurb and reader notice. Any reviewer who can give the new Star Wars flicks a thumbs up loses all credibility with me.

Donner's Superman was the first movie I saw in a theater. I thought it was a great film experience and the best comic book movie to date in terms of overall execution(Singer's Xmen movies arent bad though). Maybe it was the simplicity of Superman's origin story but given the fact that Mario Puzo wrote the screenplay he was remarkably faithful--and it was treated seriously.

Luther --and especially Otis, were treated for laughs--but I wouldnt call it camp. He definitely had Supes on the ropes with the Kryptonite in the chest.

Camp is where you wink at the audience letting them know that you know how stupid it all is. Donner didnt do that. It had humor--Larry Hagman's bit etc--but it didnt make fun of the comic book story at all. And given the fact how silly his costume is--its quite something.

And the opposite approach with the Hulk, Spider-man or Batman Begins where they take it all TOO seriously, loses sight of the fun you are supposed to get out of the fantasy story.
Spider-man 2 the best superhero movie ever? Riiight. At least Until Spider-man 3 I'm sure. I am biased as a fan of the Dikto/Romita/Andru era stories--but even if I wasnt, it is way more hokey than Superman 78.


Aint it cool FX demo where they showed how Brando was included in the new movie. Not sure if it was worth the effort but the technology is really cool.

I'll probably wait for it to come to video though.
 
Filmjunkie677 said:
Glad to see you're passing judegement on his acting from a few clips and trailers.

How bout you wait until you see the entire film and then come back to the thread and enlighten us.

Why does it seem like everyone wants to hate this film?
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I don't hate the film, but I know people closely linked to it, and have heard a lot of first hand stuff about it, that makes me wary.
 
desperatecomfort said:
I don't hate the film, but I know people closely linked to it, and have heard a lot of first hand stuff about it, that makes me wary.
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please tell me more. You can't tease like that man, come on!
 
kgg said:
Critics reviews also mean less now than they ever have before. A movie like the Empire Strikes Back got much harsher reviews in 1980 than Revenge of the Sith did because critics were more used to slice of life dramas back then--today almost every other movie is an action or comic book production--so lapses in plot and character are just shrugged off. And they all compete for a blurb and reader notice. Any reviewer who can give the new Star Wars flicks a thumbs up loses all credibility with me.

Donner's Superman was the first movie I saw in a theater. I thought it was a great film experience and the best comic book movie to date in terms of overall execution(Singer's Xmen movies arent bad though). Maybe it was the simplicity of Superman's origin story but given the fact that Mario Puzo wrote the screenplay he was remarkably faithful--and it was treated seriously.

Luther --and especially Otis, were treated for laughs--but I wouldnt call it camp. He definitely had Supes on the ropes with the Kryptonite in the chest.

Camp is where you wink at the audience letting them know that you know how stupid it all is. Donner didnt do that. It had humor--Larry Hagman's bit etc--but it didnt make fun of the comic book story at all. And given the fact how silly his costume is--its quite something.

And the opposite approach with the Hulk, Spider-man or Batman Begins where they take it all TOO seriously, loses sight of the fun you are supposed to get out of the fantasy story.
Spider-man 2 the best superhero movie ever? Riiight. At least Until Spider-man 3 I'm sure. I am biased as a fan of the Dikto/Romita/Andru era stories--but even if I wasnt, it is way more hokey than Superman 78.


Aint it cool FX demo where they showed how Brando was included in the new movie. Not sure if it was worth the effort but the technology is really cool.

I'll probably wait for it to come to video though.
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Good post and response here. Well thought out, though I don't agree with some things. Hero movies have to get more serious now. There needs to be some progression. We have the F4's and POTC's to have wanton fun, but I mean, i had fun with superman the movie, but it was arguably a serious/fun movie. Xmen one and two i did not like at all. Pretentious to me. Heavy handed at the whole outcast thing.
 
well, I don't want to get into names or anything. But it's just one of those projects that's been through YEARS of development and many, many producers, executives trying to get a piece of it, competing for it, and as is usual in Hollywood, many of them not seeing beyond the dollar value of it. I am afraid it would come out like a big compromise, and not really be great on any level. But let's hope the Singer/Harris team can pull it out!

I don't know anything about Brandon Routh, but it's not like Chris Reeves was the most expressive actor ever....
 
I wasnt an Xmen comics fan-and there were some things I didnt care for in the films but I felt that in terms of balancing seriousness with fun/humor/action, they did a better job than some of these other recent films. I just didnt see it as pretentious when you had Ian McKellan there doing a perfect tight wire act between seriousness and humor (especially in the second one). Jackman was also a very lucky casting choice I thought. Unknowns can work wonders with comic book hero parts.

While I admire the intentions, Batman Begins was incredibly pretentious to me. Many of the characters were giving Bruce Wayne sage-like advice..even the gangster! And they altered him beyond recognition by throwing in so many supporting people. I prefer Mask of the Phantasm and the cartoon series. He also looked like a kite flying off at the end.

Spider-man--I have lots of problems with the films-but I'll just say that Lois Lane was far more central to Superman's story-and yet he was still the star. In Spider-man, Mary Jane was pushed into the forefront. She only became important in the mid 80s.
You'd think that with CG they could really amp up the action scenes--in the comics Spider-man was making jokes and one liners. None of that in the films.

And the Hulk. I am all for treating subjects with respect-as long as the fun factor doesnt get sacrificed in an effort to try and be "important" and "deep."
The new Star Wars films did that too.



On Kate Bosworth: if the new film is set 5 years after Superman 2, then wouldnt that mean Lois Lane was a teenager in the original films?
 
kgg said:
I wasnt an Xmen comics fan-and there were some things I didnt care for in the films but I felt that in terms of balancing seriousness with fun/humor/action, they did a better job than some of these other recent films. I just didnt see it as pretentious when you had Ian McKellan there doing a perfect tight wire act between seriousness and humor (especially in the second one). Jackman was also a very lucky casting choice I thought. Unknowns can work wonders with comic book hero parts.

While I admire the intentions, Batman Begins was incredibly pretentious to me. Many of the characters were giving Bruce Wayne sage-like advice..even the gangster! And they altered him beyond recognition by throwing in so many supporting people. I prefer Mask of the Phantasm and the cartoon series. He also looked like a kite flying off at the end.

Spider-man--I have lots of problems with the films-but I'll just say that Lois Lane was far more central to Superman's story-and yet he was still the star. In Spider-man, Mary Jane was pushed into the forefront. She only became important in the mid 80s.
You'd think that with CG they could really amp up the action scenes--in the comics Spider-man was making jokes and one liners. None of that in the films.

And the Hulk. I am all for treating subjects with respect-as long as the fun factor doesnt get sacrificed in an effort to try and be "important" and "deep."
The new Star Wars films did that too.



On Kate Bosworth: if the new film is set 5 years after Superman 2, then wouldnt that mean Lois Lane was a teenager in the original films?
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Its meant to be a different dimension of the same world SO it wouldn't matter how old they are now. Weird I know, but it could have worked. I just feel the casting is off. Bosworth aint loise laine and routh WOULD have been OK if we didn't know how good superman could be played. Look, the point is that they want money and a franchise. THat is why you have such young actors and ones that appeal to kids and teenagers. Just look at how pretty the central cast is in this film? That seems to override thier acting powers. By all means get unknowns but did you realise that jackman was a TRAINED stage actor with a hell of a lot of awards and respect in australia??? Routh was working a in a bowling alley with some cameos on will and grace and an aguilera video. It is incomparable.

Batman begins, i take your point BUT that is what was needed to revive the franchise after shumachers destruction of it. I hate the spiderman movies because now, those ARE pretentious. Talk about spelling out the MESSAGE at every given opportunity 'with great power comes great responsibility' over and over and over. Damn it. Mary Jane I love you so much, love me too blah blah. It was ridiculous, but so simplistic that it was easy for the masses to digest.

superman is going to make A LOT of money, but POTC II will spank it. Good reviews mean nothing these days. people know critics roll with studios and dont always tell it as it is. United 93 98% tomatometer. Made tuppence compared to most films. People were not ready for that. King Kong 90 something tomatometer, basically failed at the box office based on its projections. Outdated idea that doesnt work in todays multiracial society (a whole other topic I know).
 
She wouldnt even have finished journalism school yet if they were realistic. It is a bizarre choice age-wise. There was a time when 25-30 year olds would play teenagers so maybe its pay back :)

I like how Doctor Octopus was giving Peter relationship advice("woo her with poetry!" ). The comics were never so soap opera childlish.
 
wow, looks like superman got trounced by POTC. Can't say i'm surprised. I knew that the film wasn't going to do that well. The set up, cast, and direction of the project was just not right. Anyway, i'm in London so i'm going to see it when it comes out on Friday. Saw POTC though. Not my kind of film, but I can see why it is making so much money. It is a brain switch off, roller coaster ride movie.
 
If this movie is not about a super hero with extraordinary power saving the world from evil (yet again), I'll consider watching it.
 
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