Sexuality in filmmaking

mystico

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I have a question to filmmakers and our modern film audiences in general ...
What is the purpose of this modern practise of having explicit sex scenes in so many movies--especially when the movie's expected audience will include kids? I have noticed that, since the advent of the PG-13 rating, there are very few PG films. Furthermore, many of those that are rated PG-13 actually deserve an R rating IMO. So what are we after?

My opinion on filmmaking, as I would assume would be anyone's, is that no scene should be shot or included in a final film unless it somehow adds to the plot or otherwise enhances the movie. Of course in some movies, the new couple, married couple, one-night-standers, etc. will eventually end up in bed. That's fine,as it does somehow add to the feel of the movie. It's part of the plot's progression. But it used to be that the scene would consist of the couple walking into a bedroom and closing the door. Perhaps there's some mad kissing before they make it into the room. Of perhaps a short scene of mad or passionate kissing once they're in the room. And all the adults and many older teens knew what came next without it being spelled out. Nowadays we have to show everything but a CU of the penetration. Why? What does that add to the scene besides perhaps some vicarious enjoyment for the audience and bragging rights for the actors?

That's one point, but another is when such a scene actually adds nothing to the plot--like in Matrix II. We all knew by the end of the first installment that Neo and Trinity were an item. Did we need to see them getting it on to be reminded of that? And did the getting it on have to be so explicit? Same thing with Underworld II. It was quite predictable during Underworld that Selene and Michael would eventually hook up. And apparently their built-up sexual tension got released in II. But some wild, passionate kissing once they got inside that thing they were hiding in would have been enough. We didn't need to see Michael pumping between Selene's opened legs. And what angers me about this is that both of these movies have youngsters as a large part of their audience. Now I am no prude by any means. I do not believe that kids should be shielded from knowing that humans engage in sexual intercourse. But there should be a purpose when they are included in discussions of it or exposure to it. And in the instances I've mentioned, there was absolutely no discernible purpose.

If there was one, would someone please enlighten me. This is becoming increasingly frustrating as a parent.
 
To add to what I've said, I'm expecting the argument that filmmakers are giving the audience what they want. So is that to say that people at some point complained to producers that there should be more explicit sex scenes in movies. Or perhaps it became widespread that when a film actually stopped at the mad kissing and just let our imaginations take over, lots of people walked out of the theatre or wrote to the filmmaker/producer that they should have beefed up the sex scene?

Just a response beforehand because that's the only argument I can even imagine. Much like the whole argument of the content of rap/hip-hop these days.
 
I have to agree with you.

I get really irritated when i see a needless sex scene in a film. Whenever i see something pointless in any movie I get irritated. Matrix II is a good example (i haven't watched either of the Underworld films but i heard similar complaints) that sex scene was pointless and awkward as was the whole sexy sweaty rave sequence. I saw absolutely no point for that to be in the movie and it totally took me out of the situation.

I guess they figure sex sells so why not go all out and give the public what they want however i remember hearing some statistic that said movies these days which have graphic sex scenes do worse at the box office than films which do not. So even from a financial aspect it doesn't sound like a good idea.

For my part i recently received a second draft of a script I'm going to be moving into production on. However the writer added a sex scene. I had him replace it with something else (after a heated debate) because i 100% felt it didn't belong and would convey the wrong message between these two characters.

Now don't get me wrong I have no problem with sex in films just when its not called for. Something like the work of Almodovar, Closer, or any movie thats sexually charged i think sex scenes should be included and should be graphic since thats what the mood and theme of the film call for.
 
Not only do I strongly dislike it, it is immoral to show such scenes. As a film-maker, I cant think of any purpose whatsoever of showing such explicit profanity.
 
ravinesedge has got it spot on, case closed. Even in a movie like 9 songs, it just wasn't necessary, my problem with sex on film is that it is not necessary at all. Sex is a private thing between 2 people, no one else needs to know.
 
Yeah, ravinesedge is right on. It boils down to one thing: money.

But I agree that I don't like explicit sex in movies, even when they do serve the plot, just because it generally takes me out of the movie, and all I do is look at the sex.

In Man-Hole, I have sex scenes, but came up with a way of doing them that I think it a good alternative. Gets the point of the scene across without taking you out of the plot with naked people.
 
Film should reflect life, reform it, inhance it...not conduct it.
The entertainment industry in the US is a demon and the money is only making it worse.
 
Personally, I don't have a problem with sex in movies. The US film industry is actually rather tame when it comes to sex. I watch a lot of foreign movies, and they are much more sexually charged than the brief sex scenes in the examples above. I am usually more put off by the amount of graphic violence in movies. Is it okay to show people getting shot or mutilated in very realistic ways? Is it okay to watch a bullet in slow motion travel from a gun to a person's brain? Sex and violence can both be exploitave, but they can also be done in an artful and expressive way on film.
 
my complaint...i only saw the first scary movie. the "gloryhole" scene in the restroom where he gets his ear violated...i thought that was stupid and yet people in the theater were laughing and there were kids in the theater.

as long as people keep paying for this stuff it's not going to change...we need oprah :)

seriously more people need to speak up...that's the only way it's going to change.
 
i don't quite understand the prevailing opinion on display here. maybe everyone is speaking exclusively to the exploitive nature of mainstream hollywood films. if so, then i would think 'graphic violence' would be held in similar regard; that being a no less immoral and contemptible offense.

but considering the vast potential that an entire world's cinema has to offer -- to my mind, sexuality is essential to the human experience. the social, cultural, psychological, political, and spiritual dimensions of a human sexual life are worth analyzing via the cinematic form. if a filmmaker is earnest in his pursuit to explore the "mystery" of his/her characters' sexuality, and brings it into the light where it can be shared and better understood, then even the most indecent (or "immoral") filmed human interaction is beyond reproach. and in this context, the same could be said of violence.

imo, of course!
 
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Sexuality is a part of us. All of us. I can either be used to excite us, inspire us, or horrify us...or, in the case of what is being talked about in the thread, to make money, EVEN IF THERE IS NO POINT IN IT.

People of no concience will do anything for your cash.

Just skip the bullsh#t and buy porn. At least they are honest about it.
 
If you have to ask Why?, a better question you should be asking yourself is Why Not?

I stopped caring whether they showed things or not when I realized girls weren't yucky.

Bad story-telling at times, perhaps. But that covers a LOT of ground in too many films. Sex has nothing to do with it.

You want tight story-telling, with no extraneous stuff (including sex which isn't a legit plot point)? Start complaining about 140 minute films that really only needed 87 minutes to tell the story.

Of course, they couldn't justify $20 tickets for that short a film. :)

Personally, I'd rather they used sex fillers than folks sitting on the can, stinking up the place.
 
Well then, we speak-up for "ALL" kinds of films that are useless, not just sex-driven-films, but it just so happens that this thread is about sex, so we dont have to go in circles talking about the 101 "other" things that are wrong with main-stream films today.

The argument here is more like, "well, if they do this wrong, then why not that too!". It doesnt make sense. Lets call bad film-making exactly what it is: bad film-making.
 
Yep. That's all it is. Some people don't like sex scenes. Some people have no interest in cats. Etc etc etc.

I'm finding myself much prefering television (hour-long series, not the half-hour crap) because they are more or less forced to cut to the chase.

I hate sitting through a lot of films these days because of the filler. It's foot-tapping time and yeah yeah yeah get on with it.

So...they put in a sex scene instead of folks waxing poetic about their poodles. I'm bored either way.

:) Which just reminded me of something Squiggy once said about the film Creature Without A Head - more or less: There are no gratuitous monsters in the movie. Every appearance of a monster is called for by the story. Someone says "Look! There's a Monster!", and there it is.
 
I have not really read through this thread, so if this comment is totally out of the blue, I apologize. I myself am very sensitive to sex in film. That having been said, in the film I am currently working on, one of the characters needs to be...well... sexy... super hot. And the character only works if she is... I won't be showing any nudity or a sex act, but I'll have a VERY provocative character onscreen... it may offend some people, but the film won't work without the character, and the character won't work without the sexiness.
 
Titanic = PG13
Titanic = Leo being Leo PLUS Kate Winslet & Full Frontal Nudity
Titanic = Total US Gross: $600,788,188

Sex sells, especially if you can do it in a PG13 film :)

Hehe... I simply have to laugh that someone considered the R-rated violence
fest that was Matrix, to be 'too sexy'. The 'R' rating should have been a warning
not to take your kids to it.
 
i think you guys are right. thats why i voted for president bush.

less sex in movies, more dead people who dont worship the same bearded dead guys as us clean cut americans.

we should do something about video games too.

and books.

for the children!

god willing, one day we wont ever have to feel uncomfortable.

:nads:
seriously tho,

"the us film industry is a demon?" dude, you gotta stop beating it to bill paxton flicks.
 
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