Live video I shot with XL2
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Michael_Petro
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xl2????
ARMAND GUERRERO
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Liked the Idea but remember zoom in focus and zoom out then your shots as you zoom in will be in focus, have the drunk rockers move out of the way or get real close to the stage and and get some angel shots looking up. Then have a bouncer or grip move them out of the way specially if the band is paying you. Then get a panasonic. But over all I liked what you did.
Armand co-producer of www.Denversheartbeat.com
Armand co-producer of www.Denversheartbeat.com
Andrew Brinkhaus
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Dude, awesome video. Always remember, when your shooting a music video, especially of artistic style, none of the rules apply. Armand suggested a few things that I would say, forget (except the panasonic note.) The video looked very good and congratulations on the project.
yo ushould charge more you'd get it.
Jeff Ray
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bballplaya283 said:
Yeah I moved down here about 8 months ago after I graduated from ol' high school. I decided to not attend UT and just get my hands dirty in the music scene. So far, so good.
Thanks for all the tips guys!
(And yeah I know this is the DVX forum, but I come here often to hear your opinions, just thought I'd post it. Thanks again.)
art metal art
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$500 installments right? Like 5 payments for $2,500? Sounds like you need some positive affirmation so your ego and paycheck get boosted. For that kinda money you would expect hack work. Quality that fits into the starving artist budget. Never sell your work like it is to someone looking for the lowest estimate but do sell your work like it's going to the highest bidder.
If you are starving then make them pay you in payments. They might be starving too but when we all bought our $5,000 cameras we knew that we were getting what we paid for.
Mo money mo gear...time....fun....alimony...taxes....beer...etc.
If you are starving then make them pay you in payments. They might be starving too but when we all bought our $5,000 cameras we knew that we were getting what we paid for.
Mo money mo gear...time....fun....alimony...taxes....beer...etc.
Jeff Ray
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Hey guys!
Thanks for all the positive feedback, that's always a pleasant experience.
As for the lowball price, how do you guys convince bands to pay $2,500 for a live video?! Austin is full of talented bands, but none of them have ANY money to spend on any sort of visual media product (much less live on). I think every band realizes the importance of a video (be a live video or music video) and we have plenty of "potential" clients, but it all comes down to the fact that most bands just can't pay that much.
Sure, $500 is are "starting price" and we would ideally increase that price for every video done, but even at $500, we haven't had anyone throw themselves at us realizing what a deal it is.
But it's ok for now I guess. I film for an hour, edit for two nights (and I love doing these type of videos, it's a creative outlet and hones my "editing skills")
Anyway, any advice on how to rope bands into paying more, how do you guys do it?
Thanks for all the positive feedback, that's always a pleasant experience.
As for the lowball price, how do you guys convince bands to pay $2,500 for a live video?! Austin is full of talented bands, but none of them have ANY money to spend on any sort of visual media product (much less live on). I think every band realizes the importance of a video (be a live video or music video) and we have plenty of "potential" clients, but it all comes down to the fact that most bands just can't pay that much.
Sure, $500 is are "starting price" and we would ideally increase that price for every video done, but even at $500, we haven't had anyone throw themselves at us realizing what a deal it is.
But it's ok for now I guess. I film for an hour, edit for two nights (and I love doing these type of videos, it's a creative outlet and hones my "editing skills")
Anyway, any advice on how to rope bands into paying more, how do you guys do it?
well if you can pull off a Shoot one day, edit one day schedule, 500$ a video could work........ but you wont sleep and will probbaly cry from stress.
cheezweezl
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this is how you convince them to pay. show them your work and tell them the price. if they love it and feel that they have to have it, they will pay. i saw an interview with some personal trainer guy who charges 10k a month for his services. his clients are all big hollywood celebs. he said in the interview that he is just like any other trainer except the reason he only works with high end clients is because he charges so much and the reason he charges so much is because all his clients are high end. in other words, you can be the cheap guy in town and produce killer work but the serious people who realize that quality costs money will be scared away by your low price no matter how good the work is. $500 is way too cheap unless it is a basic shoot the live show and burn to dvd. anything that requires pre production, a crew, and editing should cost much much more.
art metal art
Well-known member
Yep....you have to build the market for yourself and like I said, look at how much all of us spend cameras and equipment....mucho dinero! If someone wants it they will pay. Business is business and starving is starving. I know that sounds stupidly simple but you are the magic to cross that line of starving to being in demand.
I'm not even in the business of video but am a business owner using video as a tool. My experience is exactly as I've advised you and that is to not sell yourself short. Your video was top notch and bands need to sell some blood so they too can market themselves.
I'm not even in the business of video but am a business owner using video as a tool. My experience is exactly as I've advised you and that is to not sell yourself short. Your video was top notch and bands need to sell some blood so they too can market themselves.
I liked the video, very good for a live vid, the after effects stuff as others have said is really nice. And I've learned a few things about bands in the past. At least for me, I have to choose to either sell myself(my video work) for pretty much nothing or get no work. Hopefully once we get a good job for a good band we wont have these problems but who knows.
ITS DEPRESSING
For now, if you don't mind doing it, $500 isn't that bad if people will pay for that, at least you're working. For $500 do they only get one song or the whole concert? I hope for your sake that its only the one song, and it was really well done so they got their moneys worth. In my experience bands can never afford anything, and since I'm an amateur if a band does have money they sure as hell wont spend it on me. To make you feel better, I've shot( and edited) an entire ~40 minute concert for $50, done two other ~40 minute concerts which I was supposed to be payed for but never got any money from the bands. Shot and did very stylistic/special proccess editing on a concert that I wasnt even payed expenses for. The best I have made on a concert was one I had to drive 2.5 hours to get to while I was totally sick out of my mind(my parents were trying to take me to the emergency room but I went because I said I would) and then I had to spend ~6 hours at the venue before the band played for ~an hour then drive home the 2.5 hours starting at about 12:30 at night. And for all that I got the grand total of $200 YEAY!! They couldnt be that poor, they are signed with a decent label and have been on mtv before, I'm convinced that my work is worth jack sh*t. And its not like I'm shooting with crap equipment, I use a DVX have a 3 camera shoot(only one DVX but still) and a crane and dolly I probably couldnt even insure the equipment for what I get for most of my work.
And thats only for live concerts, music videos are another thing. I've done two for no compensation where I had to pay for everything but I didnt mind all that much being that its fun and helps my resume but now I'd really like to be getting some money to get some more equipment, and I especially dont like losing money on the stuff haha. The situation surrounding my latest video kinda bugs me still. I drove ~3 hours right after school 2 days in a row to get there and the shoot went well. The original agreement was that they would pay my expenses and maybe a little bit after that. I showed up on time and worked my a** off and edited the whole thing quickly and got it to them really fast. They said they would send me a check for my tapes + gas/tolls etc but like 4 months later I still never got it. Nice way to treat somone who is doing you a video at cost but whatever. Now I don't think the video/my skills are all that bad, you can check out the video I'm talking about here: http://www.cfaulisi.com/Pilotvid.htm . Now maybe they didn't like it(although thats not what they said) but if that was the case they should either a. still pay my expenses or at least tell me they werent happy and thats why they werent sending anything, not just totally stiff me.
I guess this might sound like something of a rant but its not meant to be. I just want to show you that although it sucks, $500 for a video could be worse. Its not too bad at all if you can get as many of them as you want. Hopefully eventually you will do enough great work that people will start paying more for your services. Its tough but hey, musicians are full of ego and always broke so what can you do. Hopefully if you do music videos you can get a start up band, do their video then they will make it big but thats sort of like winning the lottery haha.
And for those who say just dont take the low paying jobs, so many times that means choosing not to work. I have emailed hundreds of bands and dont get too many responses(maybe thats telling me something...like..... I suck) but most either dont have money or wouldnt consider somone like me(stupid kid). So after trying for months to get another music vid I'm sort of out of luck.I might be doing another one soon but they arent even sure if they can cover the $250 of costs. In my oppinion thats such a deal they should just beg people for money if they have to, after all I'd be traveling out of state and staying for 3 or 4 days to do a music video and not getting payed...but thats just me
Hope this gives you some faith in your situation, good luck with it, you definately have skills.
Chris
ITS DEPRESSING
For now, if you don't mind doing it, $500 isn't that bad if people will pay for that, at least you're working. For $500 do they only get one song or the whole concert? I hope for your sake that its only the one song, and it was really well done so they got their moneys worth. In my experience bands can never afford anything, and since I'm an amateur if a band does have money they sure as hell wont spend it on me. To make you feel better, I've shot( and edited) an entire ~40 minute concert for $50, done two other ~40 minute concerts which I was supposed to be payed for but never got any money from the bands. Shot and did very stylistic/special proccess editing on a concert that I wasnt even payed expenses for. The best I have made on a concert was one I had to drive 2.5 hours to get to while I was totally sick out of my mind(my parents were trying to take me to the emergency room but I went because I said I would) and then I had to spend ~6 hours at the venue before the band played for ~an hour then drive home the 2.5 hours starting at about 12:30 at night. And for all that I got the grand total of $200 YEAY!! They couldnt be that poor, they are signed with a decent label and have been on mtv before, I'm convinced that my work is worth jack sh*t. And its not like I'm shooting with crap equipment, I use a DVX have a 3 camera shoot(only one DVX but still) and a crane and dolly I probably couldnt even insure the equipment for what I get for most of my work.
And thats only for live concerts, music videos are another thing. I've done two for no compensation where I had to pay for everything but I didnt mind all that much being that its fun and helps my resume but now I'd really like to be getting some money to get some more equipment, and I especially dont like losing money on the stuff haha. The situation surrounding my latest video kinda bugs me still. I drove ~3 hours right after school 2 days in a row to get there and the shoot went well. The original agreement was that they would pay my expenses and maybe a little bit after that. I showed up on time and worked my a** off and edited the whole thing quickly and got it to them really fast. They said they would send me a check for my tapes + gas/tolls etc but like 4 months later I still never got it. Nice way to treat somone who is doing you a video at cost but whatever. Now I don't think the video/my skills are all that bad, you can check out the video I'm talking about here: http://www.cfaulisi.com/Pilotvid.htm . Now maybe they didn't like it(although thats not what they said) but if that was the case they should either a. still pay my expenses or at least tell me they werent happy and thats why they werent sending anything, not just totally stiff me.
I guess this might sound like something of a rant but its not meant to be. I just want to show you that although it sucks, $500 for a video could be worse. Its not too bad at all if you can get as many of them as you want. Hopefully eventually you will do enough great work that people will start paying more for your services. Its tough but hey, musicians are full of ego and always broke so what can you do. Hopefully if you do music videos you can get a start up band, do their video then they will make it big but thats sort of like winning the lottery haha.
And for those who say just dont take the low paying jobs, so many times that means choosing not to work. I have emailed hundreds of bands and dont get too many responses(maybe thats telling me something...like..... I suck) but most either dont have money or wouldnt consider somone like me(stupid kid). So after trying for months to get another music vid I'm sort of out of luck.I might be doing another one soon but they arent even sure if they can cover the $250 of costs. In my oppinion thats such a deal they should just beg people for money if they have to, after all I'd be traveling out of state and staying for 3 or 4 days to do a music video and not getting payed...but thats just me
Hope this gives you some faith in your situation, good luck with it, you definately have skills.
Chris
Drew Ott
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I can't believe you didn't get paid for that video! What a rip-off!
Not meaning to hijack the original thread, but how did you do that part real-time, part fast-motion, where the singer is singing and there is a "timelapse" going on next to him.
I've posted a lot of questions about how to do that and I never get any real answers.
Thanks
Not meaning to hijack the original thread, but how did you do that part real-time, part fast-motion, where the singer is singing and there is a "timelapse" going on next to him.
I've posted a lot of questions about how to do that and I never get any real answers.
Thanks
not to promote your hijack buttt... you lock down the cam on a tripod meaning you dont move it then you look on the screen and have to set up some boundaries and tell your actors where they can and cant go, then you shoot the normal speed section then the sped up section use a garbage matte or mask in post to put them together. Its really pretty simple as long as the cam isnt moving haha. If you still dont get it let me know and I can pm you some more in depth instructions if you like.