HD100 vs. HVX on the Las Vegas Strip

[Elton]

Kaku has some native 1080's. I think they're still on his website, but you have to register.

I'll try and find that link

 

[Elton]

btw Barry, I think I might be able to score a 1200a deck w/SDI and a UPS, so if you're down for that Sirens thing, we should do it at some point.

I figured a small deck and a small crew could make the thing happen.

 

[Drew Harty]

Hello Barry,

With the frame grabs you posted of the HD 100, is there someway that you could tell that you selected an I frame in the GOP to compare to a HVX frame as opposed to another frame that is dropping out redundant info?

Thanks, Drew Harrty

 

[stephenvv]

Late to the party but very glad you did this test. I had canceled my preorder for the HVX (someone has my cam...) but more for money but also because I was worried about latitude and color.

But I must say, the HVX is looking much better now that there is more footage. This and the 16mm vs. test make a good case for the HVX. However, as funds are tight I will sit put through NAB before making the call.

 

[suncloud]

Downcoverting from 1080 to 720p

Downcoverting from 1080 to 720p

Would the best way to convert the 1080 format to the 720p - is to place it on a 720p 24fps timeline in FCP and let FCP do the rendering? Or is there another way?

 

[sfoster]

I'm almost convinced I like the HVX better. I just curious what the settings were on the two cameras when these shots were taken?

 

[sfoster]

OK here's my problem. I love the JVC's Focus assist, and Panasonic's number thing isn't bad, I don't like the iris on the HVX either. I love the XLH1's adjustable white balance, but I hate the iris, focus, and zoom rings. I love the picture the Panasonic produces but I'm not sure about the iris or the focus ring and zoom. I wish that Panasonic would have the lens the JVC comes with, as well as the focus assist, and the color balance control of the Canon. AND add the Sony XD CAM discs instead of expensive P2 cards. That would be the perfect camera. Somebody make it for me Please!

 

[Kaku Ito]

I have both at my hands, HD250 and HVX200 right at this moment, they are good for each different things. I wish I can keep them both. HD250 and HVX200 combination is great because they both do 720p shooting very good.

 

[pixelator]

Just my 2c:
- The indoor shots speak for themselves, the HVX200 shines

- With regards with the strip shots, I think we need to show the 4:2:0 shot with color smooting applied. Also the blacklevel seems a bit high. I have made a corrected version with a little colorgrade and colorsmooting (1 pixel blur x/y) on the HD100 shot, and a bit sharpening on the HVX shot to match the artifact level a bit.

The luma res is so close, but the fidelety of the color in the HVX shot is just so much better.
Did you set the lens to infinyty in theese shots?
The neon sign in the background contains a bit more high frequencees in the HD100 shot, not much though...

Hmmm I picked the JVC over the Panny because of my record times tend to be 3-5 hours at a time and I couldn't find a decent work around for the panny P2 for that long by myself in the field. I geneally like the look of the DVCPRO-HD cameras by far. this scene, maybe i'm missing something or my work dell monitor is at fault, but if anything the JVC looks better and not as color blocky... Again, it might just be my monitor. I think the real thing to remember is that the Pannisonics, JVC, Canon and even (maybe) Sony's are so much better than any delivery system we currently have, it's almost a mute point till Blue ray players get to $200 and Blue Ray burners get to $300... Once any of us go to DVD the difference between the cameras drop off. And if we are going to projection (digital or film) I would just rent a Panasonic VariCam or similar panny and get a better lens and CCD's to begin with. So it's like arguing over which 2007 truck is beter.. Chevy, Ford, Dodge... when we all had model T fords two years ago by comparison.. they are all good. I am missing the DVCPRO-HD editing though... the HDV native isn't that bad.. but DVCPRO-HD is cleaner.. but then again going to DVD.... I can't hardly tell the difference.

 

[voodoo]

That was a great post barry, but I really think tha you shoul not have overexposed the HD100. The hvx is exposed correctly and the hd100 is not.
The ladys red dress would retain a lot more detail if the camera was exposed correctly. i think it was a little tendencious not to expose the hd100 like it should be. The image would look a lot better in every single still.
I just bought an hvx but i think the hd100 is a really greta camer and do deserve to be treated with respect, despite the fact that the hd100 is a lot better on many aspects like, lens quality, workflow , pro design and more.
Thanks for the shootout but it could have been a little more precise

 

[mr.terpstar]

Thanks for the shootout but it could have been a little more precise

I'd have to agree. I think to get the most accurate comparison you'd have to take two people who use each camera regularly and have it set up the way they know it looks best. Then use a waveform/vectorscope monitor to ensure both cameras are exposing middle gray equally and are properly white-balanced. Then set them off to the races. The first shot is clearly exposed differently. Also of concern is that both lenses are pristinely cleaned.

But in terms of just sharpness you do have a point in that the HVX isn't as dull as it is said to be. :shocked: But it would be nice to see examples of other real world shots that aren't as dark or explosive. ;-)

 

["JM"]

Two reasons. One, because the HVX is higher def in 1080. In 720 the HVX records 960x720, in 1080 it records 1280x1080. 1280x1080 downrezzes to 1280x720 very nicely. Makes for ultimate 720p. And if I'm going to go comparing resolution, I'm not going to tie one hand behind the HVX's back, I'm gonna let it do what it does best. And 1080 is what it does best. I would only use 720 if I needed maximum recording time on the cards; otherwise it's 1080 all the way, all the time. It's what the camera does best.

:violin:
Still having a few chapters of "The HVX Book" to go through, while being totally new to this forum and the HD technolgy, needless to say that I'm totally lost with all these recording/broadcasting options, so thanks a million (and i mean it ) for all these comparative and oh-so-valuable info.

Now, seriously, could someone pleeeease help me decide (or even just decide for me) what 1080i or 720P format to go with? I especially bought a HVX to shoot in 24P and achieve a desired film-look, but i would hate getting stuck with my FS-100 then on iMovie or Final Cut HD because my 1080 files are too big, or something...

My background is into photography and I switched to digital a few years ago, so I do understand the set ups and file-scene basics, but I've got this hybrid indoor/outdoor "kids of climbing" project which footage is going to be cut for pretty much all distribution channels... HD-SD television programming, 30-second theatrical commercial, and mostly DVD release.

So while my target market is the Youth (and images need to be saturated), I like to achieve some sort of cine-feel say between "COLOR" and "BRIGHT" to quote Gary's formidable book, but what should i do to use the HVX at its best and not mess up ? aside from working with a HD MONITOR ! ! !

Oh, and I'm planning to use my f:2.8 Nikon series with a Letus adaptor to enhance the DOF when necessary, so anyone with something to say about the relationship between 35mm lenses and the above, is absolutely welcome ! And this may sound even dumber... but why using an "i" for 1080 when using a "P" for 720 when trying to define the exact same thing, uh?

Please someone just tell me what to do... :dankk2: a trillion !

 

[patssle]

The killer in my mind is the compression. Look at the first 2 pictures you posted. Look at the woman in the red dress. You can clearly see the compression due to the 25mbit that HDV offers. Then look at the HVX shot, much cleaner due to the superior 100mbit DVCPROHD codec. That is the prime reason I will NEVER touch HDV. Crappy compression. Regular SD DV is bad enough.