dvx100b - 24pA, 24p, 30p, 60i.

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mr1485

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hi,
im sure this has been covered on here but i am having trouble finding it. I am currently in the process of editing a video shot with all the frame rates that the dvx100b offers. If i edit it all together in a 24p timeline (adobe premiere 1.5) will the 30p/60i look wierd on tv? What exactly does the 24p timeline do to 30p and 60i. Does it just convert the footage to 23.97? It looks fine to me on the computer. Also when i import 24p footy into a normal timeline why does it look so choppy? Is is because it converts it into 29.97? One more question, In adobe after effects whenever i try to time remap 24p footy it looks like complete ****. Is it not possible to use time remapping on 24p footage?
thanks for any help you guys can give me.
-mardi
 
There's no point in mixing the speeds. Choose one and use that to shoot with.
24 fps for film look. 60i for video, 30 for a cross.
In order to use 24p or 24pa in a 24 (23.98 actually) timeline you need to remove the pulldown. I don't know the latest Premier but you'll have to check. You can't just put it in a 24fps timeline.
You can shoot 60i for slow motion in a 23.98 timeline.
The only other reason to mix speeds is if you want a film look (24fps) and live video look (60i).
In that case shoot 24p for the film mode and 60i for the video portion and edit on a 29.97 timeline.
 
Scottdvx100 said:
In order to use 24p or 24pa in a 24 (23.98 actually) timeline you need to remove the pulldown. I don't know the latest Premier but you'll have to check. You can't just put it in a 24fps timeline.
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Actually if you shoot in 24PA you can just place it in a 24p timeline in premiere as it automatically removes the pulldown.
 
Scottdvx100 said:
There's no point in mixing the speeds. Choose one and use that to shoot with.
24 fps for film look. 60i for video, 30 for a cross.
In order to use 24p or 24pa in a 24 (23.98 actually) timeline you need to remove the pulldown. I don't know the latest Premier but you'll have to check. You can't just put it in a 24fps timeline.
You can shoot 60i for slow motion in a 23.98 timeline.
The only other reason to mix speeds is if you want a film look (24fps) and live video look (60i).
In that case shoot 24p for the film mode and 60i for the video portion and edit on a 29.97 timeline.
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dear scott,
the reason all the speeds are different is that there are multiple filmers. It is a skate video promo. So as you would imagine skate filming is a little less planned out then filming movies, commercials, or what have you. There is no storyboard or anything. I mean i havent even met half the people or filmers that are in this video. So its not like we are all meeting up and discussing the look of the video. Basically i just get a crap load of tapes and have to make something out of it. With little help from anyone.
p.s. you really didn't even answer one of my questions.......

everyone else,
so there is not really an option of me going back and re shooting shots. for most skating footage it is at 60i or sometimes 30p. But alot of scenic/"art" shots were done in 24p. When i am previewing all the different frame rates together on the 24p timeline in premiere; all my footage seems to look fine on the computer. I have not exported anything yet. And i have not seen it on TV. But as far as i can tell it looks okay. Does the timeline actually effect the 60i footage? (some of which was shot on a sony dcr-vx1000). I am really confused on to how this whole frame rate thing effects my editing. Sorry if this is total noob style and sorry if this is confusing im just really stressing out.
 
Create a 29.97 timeline then. 60i and 30p will work in that. If you have 24p that has not had pulldown removed just add that to the mix since the DVX outputs it at 29.97 already.
If you have 24p that already has pulldown removed then add it back. You can use After Effects or some software that will add the pulldown (2:3:2:3). Now it's back to 29.97 and can be edited in the same timeline.
If you have 24pa then remove the advanced pulldown. Now add standard pulldown (2:3:2:3) to the clips as above. Now these are 29.97 ready to cut in.
In the end your video will look correct. The 60i will look just the way it was shot, like video. The other frame rates will look filmic based on their frame rates and will look like film transferred to tape or shown on TV. All without special plugins or gross manipulations of time/image.
 
Scottdvx100 said:
Create a 29.97 timeline then. 60i and 30p will work in that. If you have 24p that has not had pulldown removed just add that to the mix since the DVX outputs it at 29.97 already.
If you have 24p that already has pulldown removed then add it back. You can use After Effects or some software that will add the pulldown (2:3:2:3). Now it's back to 29.97 and can be edited in the same timeline.
If you have 24pa then remove the advanced pulldown. Now add standard pulldown (2:3:2:3) to the clips as above. Now these are 29.97 ready to cut in.
In the end your video will look correct. The 60i will look just the way it was shot, like video. The other frame rates will look filmic based on their frame rates and will look like film transferred to tape or shown on TV. All without special plugins or gross manipulations of time/image.
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thank you for the help. I really appreciate this. Is there any way you could tell me how to remove pulldown on 24pA in After Effects (i use 6.0). And how do i add standard pulldown to the video? Or is there a way to tell if it is shot in 24p or 24pA? So no matter what i have to add 2:3:2:3 to 24p footy to use it in a normal 29.97 timeline?
 
mr1485 said:
thank you for the help. I really appreciate this. Is there any way you could tell me how to remove pulldown on 24pA in After Effects (i use 6.0). And how do i add standard pulldown to the video? Or is there a way to tell if it is shot in 24p or 24pA? So no matter what i have to add 2:3:2:3 to 24p footy to use it in a normal 29.97 timeline?
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In project window right click on file and select interpret footage > main.

THis is where you select the pulldown method.
 
Or is there a way to tell if it is shot in 24p or 24pA?
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On the DVX you can run the tape and set cam to show fps ... when playing in vcr mode the lcd will show the mode used either 24p or 24pa.
 
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