DMX and Lou Diamond Phillips To Star In HVX shot film

I saw Poseidon the other day on a local IMAX screen and I've never been so angry watching a movie in my life. There was dirt or something on the film/lens that was so distracting (it was like a bee hive was in the projector :) ). Right now there is no right or wrong format because they are both held up by the theaters. Incompetent theater owners dont care how the film looks, they just care how many seats are filled. So you can argue all day about "film is dead and HD RULES" it just really doesn't matter till the theaters are changed.
 
I would love to film something on real film someday, but right now it's the DVX. But to help hkpictures get back on track...

Site look kool. Hope to see some of your movies in the future. It seems as though Lou Diamond is fairly easy to get for projects as a guy on indieclub also has him in a movie. Where in Louisiana are you located?
 
RichardVClark said:
I saw Poseidon the other day on a local IMAX screen and I've never been so angry watching a movie in my life. There was dirt or something on the film/lens that was so distracting (it was like a bee hive was in the projector :) ). Right now there is no right or wrong format because they are both held up by the theaters. Incompetent theater owners dont care how the film looks, they just care how many seats are filled. So you can argue all day about "film is dead and HD RULES" it just really doesn't matter till the theaters are changed.
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And buried right there in one of my other posts is where I signified this would most likely be where the tide turns. But right now....How many theaters are showing in Digital? I know a bunch here in LA...but this is LA. Not too many places anywhere have them...or only have one, maybe two.

The theater chains don't want to invest HUGE amount of money for projectors that will be outdated and needing revision to the tune of another HUGE cost. Hell, there is a theater in LA, I wish I knew which one, is testing out a new 4k projector with The Da Vinci Code. How much do you think those will cost?

To add to that theaters are making much money. Look at many chains have been/are being bought out, sold, filing for chapter 11. They are having a hard enough time making money to have to invest in new gear.

To add to that most of these chains care nothing for proper upkeep and projection...How do you expect them to care for projector that require MORE knowledge of use and care?

And to top it off....we aren't ready for pure digital distribution becuase of the theaters complete fear of piracy.

We have some time yet before HD is cheaper enough and good looking enough to completely replace film.
 
I agree Sarlacc

Maybe it will be 10 years, maybe 20 ? But it will be I would bet.

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The Mythcial 28 Days Later was a mere 3 years ago and now we're getting:

Superman Returns
Collateral
Miami Vice
Scary Movie 4
Apocalypto

Definatley not small experimental Danny Boyle Zombie Film's. But we've all had this discussion 8 million times. It'll come eventually.

I'd shoot film if I had my choice but the argument to start shooting digitally is becoming very compelling
 
Sarlacc, just for the record the studios have already said that they're going to pay for the digital projection equipment. I'm sure the theaters will pay for it in some other way but not directly out of there pockets.

Also I'm sure you have all your knowledge of production and stuff. But man you are way too rude to people. I know that there are people that post here that film is dead or whatever that have a better idea of what they're talking about than you. So why don't you try and be a little humble. BTW this has already been talked to death.
 
John_Hudson said:
I agree Sarlacc

Maybe it will be 10 years, maybe 20 ? But it will be I would bet.

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The Mythcial 28 Days Later was a mere 3 years ago and now we're getting:

Superman Returns
Collateral
Miami Vice
Scary Movie 4
Apocalypto

Definatley not small experimental Danny Boyle Zombie Film's. But we've all had this discussion 8 million times. It'll come eventually.

I'd shoot film if I had my choice but the argument to start shooting digitally is becoming very compelling
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I agree on all points. But what I'm saying is the argument isn't so compelling when you are looking at big budget features.

Superman Returns has a projected budget of $250mil. X-Men 3, which features heavy effects and a huge all star cast, along with known name side cast members, only cost around $150mil. Both are big summer effects laden pictures. Super deemed HD was proper tool (and testing ground) where as X-Men deemed film was the proper tool.

Mann...wanted HD for the look. Both Miami Vice and Collateral still shot a lot of film, for that look as well.

When we get the point where theaters are pure digital. The cameras record pure digital and input straight in a computer digitally (ala HD) And everything is of a caibler of quality that matches that of 35/65mm film...then I would say we have a very compelling arguement to shoot one over the other.

Though I will say. If I were handed a heavy effects laden film right now. I would be very tempted to shoot on a D20 or Genesis...or least shoot all the effects photography on those cameras and the rest on film...which may very well become the case for the near future of production....kinda like back in teh day when most effects work was shot on 65mm.
 
The Sarlacc said:
I never said film is the one and only. I embrace HD very much. I love it a lot. I do admit to playing both sides of the field, and in my part of the industry you have to to stay afloat this day in age.

All I simply said is HD is not replacing film anytime soon, and its just another tool.
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I am format agnostic.

I say go with the medium that suits your needs best.

I have no problem with either choice.

But, what I am saying is that their are huge Economic forces behind the momentum of a completely digital workflow.

The "Film" interest will undoubtedly push back and adapt.

No worries.

The market will sort it out.


For me, I'm down with HD Digital from beginning to end.

To each his own.

As you have readily admitted, film or digital is merely a choice between the tool that suits your needs the best.
 
I think everyone here will be absolutely amazed at how fast the exhibition system is changing.

Digital film distribution will take no longer than 10 years.

We will see significant changes in the next 2-3.

Theaters are a dying bread and are currently being reinvented.


Standby for the revolution!
 
well.............it will be cool to see DMX in an HVX film, congrats....that is what this post was originally about right? did i hit a wrong button or something? jesus
 
hkpictures said:
Hey guys, just wanted to drop a line, we will be putting a good deal of footage up on our website in the next couple of weeks, but to date we have shot the following feature films:

This Is The Day- Shot with the HVX to tape, in post
Block Party 2- Shot with the HVX to tape, in post
Terror Bayou- Shot to the P2 cards, got comfortable with the camera, in post
Club 225- Shot to the P2 cards, in post
Death Toll- preproduction, but will go to the P2 cards, hopefully my M2 and follow focus will be in before we begin, currently have DMX and Lou Diamond Phillips attached.

I have to say I am amazed at the camera and we have a great P2 system in place, never lost a second with our method. One lesson learned though, have external hard drives in a raid array, we had a harddrive go down and had to send it off to recover the data. Other than that, super happy with the camera. This camera will enable my company to make a 10 films this year, yes, ten feature films, all with distribution, amazing piece of technology!

Will update everyone on the footage status. www.hkpictures.com and thanks to this group, many questions, help and good people here.
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Good on you Man!

It's very motivating and humbling to see someone who is such a "Do-er"!

Keep em up! and thanks for sharing!

Steve
 
Drew599 said:
Sarlacc, just for the record the studios have already said that they're going to pay for the digital projection equipment. I'm sure the theaters will pay for it in some other way but not directly out of there pockets.

Also I'm sure you have all your knowledge of production and stuff. But man you are way too rude to people. I know that there are people that post here that film is dead or whatever that have a better idea of what they're talking about than you. So why don't you try and be a little humble. BTW this has already been talked to death.
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The studios can afford it...What are the theaters going to do? Send their employees down to the street corner to panhandle? Simple fact is they are bringing in so little money they can't afford to digitally convert every theater in the world....and on top of that, stay up to date with the newest and best technology. We would no longer have theaters to go to if they attempted this. Its going to be slow and steady and take a long time to make the change.

I will admit that my passion can make me come off confrontational...but I am only rude to people some people. I like to discuss. I like to debate. I like to make people think and see the other side of the glass, and I like people to challenge me to do the same. I like to educate and I like to learn. If I come off a certain way on an online forum then I guess so be it. I have a very dry humor which doesn't translate well to the written word. People who toss ouyt insults will be subjected to the same treatment...and yes sometimes I get so in a debate, arguement, or whatever even I might cast the first stone or take it too far. Such is life.

I walk away from every conversation trying to take something new with me to add to my knowledge. And in a very few instances I walk away nothing...because the person in question never brought anything to the table worth soaking up (really only one member I can think of.)

So what if it has been talked to death? New things pop up everyday to add to the conversation. We are all a part of community that directly or indirectly relates to the subject, so lets talk about it. Its part of the fun.
 
John_Hudson said:
It's already happening. There is nothing that can be said or done. It's like a big digital snowball and it's rolling downhill.
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Come on man...don't alter my quote.

I already said I agree with you. And I agree with the statement above...but if you look at my quote in its entirerty it rings very true for today.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Come on man...don't alter my quote.

I already said I agree with you. And I agree with the statement above...but if you look at my quote in its entirerty it rings very true for today.
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Alter your quote ? huh ? I can care less if you agree with me. Chill bro.

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I don't play Devils' Advocate in these conversation's. It's pretty black and white usually.

Is digital going to take over ? Yes.

I don't think we need to sit around and discuss the 'Yeah but's...'.

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Exciting times
 
The Sarlacc said:
The studios can afford it...What are the theaters going to do? Send their employees down to the street corner to panhandle? Simple fact is they are bringing in so little money they can't afford to digitally convert every theater in the world....and on top of that, stay up to date with the newest and best technology. We would no longer have theaters to go to if they attempted this. Its going to be slow and steady and take a long time to make the change.

I will admit that my passion can make me come off confrontational...but I am only rude to people some people. I like to discuss. I like to debate. I like to make people think and see the other side of the glass, and I like people to challenge me to do the same. I like to educate and I like to learn. If I come off a certain way on an online forum then I guess so be it. I have a very dry humor which doesn't translate well to the written word. People who toss ouyt insults will be subjected to the same treatment...and yes sometimes I get so in a debate, arguement, or whatever even I might cast the first stone or take it too far. Such is life.

I walk away from every conversation trying to take something new with me to add to my knowledge. And in a very few instances I walk away nothing...because the person in question never brought anything to the table worth soaking up (really only one member I can think of.)

So what if it has been talked to death? New things pop up everyday to add to the conversation. We are all a part of community that directly or indirectly relates to the subject, so lets talk about it. Its part of the fun.
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Don't worry. That's what the Mod's are for. Too let you know when you go too far. :love4: We'll keep you in check.
 
The problem with film is that you are limited to 24 frames per secound which is excellent for drama but does not offer enough temporal resolution for fast action movies. Of course you can shoot film at 60 frames per secound but this more than doubles your film distribution costs if you deliver in this format which can run into tens of millions of dollars. But with high definition digital cinematography you can shoot and deliver at 60 frames per secound and because it is digital there is no higher distribution costs. Also with digital you have the flexibility of intercutting footage if you want 24p for special effects and 60p for fast action. Of course you can do this with film by frame doubling and frame tripling the 24p footage with the 60p footage but again you are doubling your film distribution costs.
 
androbot2084 said:
The problem with film is that you are limited to 24 frames per secound which is excellent for drama but does not offer enough temporal resolution for fast action movies. Of course you can shoot film at 60 frames per secound but this more than doubles your film distribution costs if you deliver in this format which can run into tens of millions of dollars. But with high definition digital cinematography you can shoot and deliver at 60 frames per secound and because it is digital there is no higher distribution costs. Also with digital you have the flexibility of intercutting footage if you want 24p for special effects and 60p for fast action. Of course you can do this with film by frame doubling and frame tripling the 24p footage with the 60p footage but again you are doubling your film distribution costs.
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Yes. Those action films like Die Hard, The Road Warrior, Lord of the Rings, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Saving Private Ryan and The Terminator were totally lame.
 
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