720 vs 1080 filmout

Okay so I'm going back to an old subject, but I have a shoot on Memeorial Day that I'm hoping will have good enough content to transfer to 35mm film.

I know this camera's favorite format is 720 24pN, but what about 1080? For all the extra hassle of storage while we shoot a 2 hour event, it seems like 720 would just be easier.

There's going to be three of us out there frantically shooting as much as we can.

Barry: In your opinion is it worth the extra hassle to do 1080?

BTW: Hoping your book comes out before then!!!
 
Big Mike we are shootting a feature doc and have to do long shoots all the time. We are shooting 720. The guys that are doing the film out tell us that it will be good enough. If you can shoot 1080 I would but for us and sounds like for you it just is not that practical.
 
1080 is better, but at what price? That's what you have to decide.

Graphic designer has the book now, should be done in a few days and then it goes to the printer...
 
For those looking for a comparison between HVX 1080 and 720 filmmout. Contact any of the reputable houses that do the the Tape/Data transfer to film. They will print a wedge test for you for free. If they don't, try somewhere else. There are at least 10 major labs doing this work in L.A. alone.

When you test yourself you know what you shot; which is what's most important. Far more important than just taking the word of someone else.

There are people out there with different opinions, and that doesn't make what they believe wrong. But there are also those who just regurgitate hype, without knowing. This is particularly troubling, but it happens- constantly. With imaging technology, don't believe it until you do it/and see it for yourself.

When you shoot your test YOU know what all your greyscale/over & under values are. You can also test lens(es) for sharpness range. You'll want to choose your lab for filmout before you ever shoot a frame of your projects because not all transfer process and methodologies are the same, and there's many conflicting opinions on which techniques (and settings) are the most appropriate, if not "the best."

This is what professionals do before jumping into the unknown.

I.

P.S. I heard the HVX200 called "The Mongoose", although I'm not going to repeat on this message board why.
 
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I think "The Mongoose" is a great name in general. The reason behind is EXTREMELY flattering to Panasonic, but not to another manufacturer's product.

Really the guy who told his whole rant was talking out of his a$$, even if he did make a few good points.

I think that it's possible to figure everything out from here. I won't elaborate any further.

I.
 
Illya Friedman said:
I think "The Mongoose" is a great name in general. The reason behind is EXTREMELY flattering to Panasonic, but not to another manufacturer's product.

Really the guy who told his whole rant was talking out of his a$$, even if he did make a few good points.

I think that it's possible to figure everything out from here. I won't elaborate any further.

I.
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Because it kills the VIPER!?!?!
 
Barry_Green said:
1080 is better, but at what price? That's what you have to decide.

Graphic designer has the book now, should be done in a few days and then it goes to the printer...
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How do you recon this choice Barry?

What do you see as the balance?
 
1080 just retains more resolution. Not twice as much, maybe 20% more, but still, more is more.

So the question is: do you go for 720/24p and get 2.5 times as much recording time on a card, or do you go 1080/24p and get maybe 20% more resolution out of your image?
 
Hey, Barry -

Will that film-out test be in LA? And will there be room for other folks to sneak in?

-Barry
 
Barry_Green said:
1080 just retains more resolution. Not twice as much, maybe 20% more, but still, more is more.

So the question is: do you go for 720/24p and get 2.5 times as much recording time on a card, or do you go 1080/24p and get maybe 20% more resolution out of your image?
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Fair enough.

So if storage capacity isn't an issue then 1080?



What kind of luck have you had shooting tethered? (Computer/Firestore)

Any dropouts or anomalies?
 
telebay said:
I know this wouldn't be as good as shooting in 1080 to begin with... but it might be a nice compromise:

* Shoot 720p 24pn
* Up rez with Instant HD to 1080 - http://store.yahoo.com/redgiantsoftware/instanthd.html

Any thoughts on whether or not you guys think this would make for better footage -- though not as nice as actually shooting 1080 to begin with?
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I believe I read another post regarding this software, and, if I'm not mistaken, Jared(?) said it was quite good. Do a search.
 
telebay said:
I know this wouldn't be as good as shooting in 1080 to begin with... but it might be a nice compromise:

* Shoot 720p 24pn
* Up rez with Instant HD to 1080 - http://store.yahoo.com/redgiantsoftware/instanthd.html

Any thoughts on whether or not you guys think this would make for better footage -- though not as nice as actually shooting 1080 to begin with?
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Up scaling is NEVER the best direction to go... But down scaling HVX 1080 is very attractive under a certain set of conditions.

If you want to shoot 1080 over 720 with the HVX, I'd suggest doing so, then downrezzing it to full raster 1280 by 720 and editing with that. You wouldn't lose a single bit of whatever marginal rez gains HVX recorded 1080 has over HVX recorded 720, yet you'd gain ALL the benefits of a 720 post workflow.

Why is this? Remember, HVX recorded 720 is 960 by 720, and HVX recorded 1080 is 1280 by 1080. Common agreement is that vertical improvement of HVX 1080 over 720 is very, very minor, and best case horizontal improvement over 720 is approx. 30%.

One way to do this would be to use CineForm, as it will automatically scale down your 1080 down to 720 full raster as it creates CineForm codec AVI's.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs
 
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