Benefits to shooting 24pn?

it allows you to (on playback) view the over and under crank effects. They call it the "true" 24 frames. 24p runs 29.97 as 24pn runs 24. Thats about all i know as of now.
 
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Hmm. Didn't know that. I do know that I'll be able to fit more on the p2 card as far as footage goes.

I only plan to shoot 60p for under/overcrank effects, though. I won't do anything other than that for those effects.
 
Space saving fun. On an 8giger 20+ minutes compared to 8minutes.

If you are not going to mix 30/60fps footage with your project than no question 24PN is the way to go.

Plus the VFR is done automatically in Native mode, you can actually watch it back in camera. Very cool.
 
I have three 4gig cards--

Could I capture 720p/60p on one and 720p/24pn on another? Using the third card to swap between the two specific ones?

What if I want to shoot 1080p/24p? Am I seeing conflicts with this setup?
 
Kholi said:
I have three 4gig cards--

Could I capture 720p/60p on one and 720p/24pn on another? Using the third card to swap between the two specific ones?

What if I want to shoot 1080p/24p? Am I seeing conflicts with this setup?
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Not quite sure what you are asking here but, you can shoot ANY format on any P2 card. You can shoot one clip at 1080/24P, one clip at 720/30P, and one clip at 720/24Pn all on the same card. I might have several different video resolutions/frame rates on one P2 card before I switch to the next card. I hope this helps, clear up your question.
 
Why all over the place?

720/60 can mix with 720/24 only if you advance pulldown the 60 footage, but than you might as well shoot 24pn to start. 1080 can be downresed, but why bother. plus unless you have FCP 5.1 you wont have support for 1080.

I would honestly stick to one setting. 720/24PN has worked great for me. Space saving and VFR control.


Unless you want to run some test to see what you like, but I wouldnt go into a project and shoot multiple recording settings. Sounds like trouble.
 
Oooh I took what was said the wrong way. I thought you had to use the same format on the card for every file.

Sweet.

That totally clears up the question for the most part. I'm assuming 60p goes the same way?

The reason I don't want to shoot any other framerates but 60p is because of the sound issue. I'd rather just ramp in post, I think.
 
Boomerang said:
Why all over the place?

720/60 can mix with 720/24 only if you advance pulldown the 60 footage, but than you might as well shoot 24pn to start. 1080 can be downresed, but why bother. plus unless you have FCP 5.1 you wont have support for 1080.

I would honestly stick to one setting. 720/24PN has worked great for me. Space saving and VFR control.


Unless you want to run some test to see what you like, but I wouldnt go into a project and shoot multiple recording settings. Sounds like trouble.
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Kay totally confused!

I thought you needed to shoot either variable frame rates or 60p to get clear slow-mo?

Am I wrong?
 
In 720p/24PN you will set it to film cam and than change the frame rate to 60. But you still are working in a true 24 timeline. Keep in mind no audio is recorded this way.
 
I think you will get a cleaner slo mo shooting 24PN VFR 60. Than shooting 720 regular and slowing it down in post. But Barry can clear it up for you. He knows all.
 
Boomerang said:
What sound issues are talking about?
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I thought that if you recorded in anything but 24p/pn, 30p, or 60p... you don't get sound recorded?

Am I totally wrong and misguided?
 
Whoa you guys are fast. LOL.

Thanks. So, I'll need to have an outside source for sound during those sequences... hmm.

Also, sorry for the blatant ignorance.

The camera has yet to drop into my hands, and when I did have one, I didn't play long enough with framerates.
 
Thanks. Hopefully he'll chime in to set me straight on the issue.

I thought you retained sound in 24pn, though. Arg, not having the camera in hand sucks.
 
Boomerang said:
I think you will get a cleaner slo mo shooting 24PN VFR 60. Than shooting 720 regular and slowing it down in post.
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Never slow anything down in post. That's an old, outdated, obsolete technique that we never have to put up with again. Just like "de-interlacing" -- it's over. Forget about it.

You can shoot VFR in 24pN mode, or in "over 60" mode. If you shoot vfr in "over 60" you can extract the active frames in post using the Apple Frame Rate Converter utility, which will remove the duplicate frames and give you a file that's identical in quality and motion performance to what the same clip would have been had you shot it in 24pN mode.
 
About sound: if you are shooting in the pN modes, and you change the frame rate away from the default rate, no sound will be recorded. That means that in 720/24pN, if you shoot at 24fps (or default) sound is recorded. Any other frame rate = no sound.

If you shootin in 720/30pN at 30fps (or default) sound is recorded; any other frame rate = no sound.

But in the "over 60" modes, sound is always recorded. So if you absolutely had to have the sound file, and the variable frame rate effect, you could get it by shooting in "over 60" and then conforming the footage using the FRC. But -- I mean, there's not really much point, because your sound won't in any way sync up with your VFR footage, so -- why bother?
 
So basically if you over or under crank the camera, no sound is recorded, for obvious reasons. It was a relief to read that 24pn at 24 frames still recorded sound. You guys had me worried for a second.
 
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