720 24p vs 30p vs 60p

thefilmaddict

thefilmaddict

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Quick question:

I shoot in DVCPRO HD 720 24pn.

In Final Cut Pro I have the following Sequence Settings to chose from:

DVCPRO HD 720 24p

DVCPRO HD 720 30p

DVCPRO HD 720 60p

I can edit in 720 24p without having to render. If I pick 30p or 60p I have to render before I can watch the footage.

If I wanted to prepare footage to be watched on a HDTV via an HD DVD or if I wanted to prepare my footage for stock footage delivery (like MotionZoneHD), would I want my final video to stay 24p or should I convert it to 30p or 60p (I'm guessing that if I did 30p or 60p, Final Cut Pro would do some kind of pulldown?). Would my motion look different changing the frame rate or the same???
 
Thanks Barry. I took my 24pn footage and dropped it onto a 60p sequence and you were right, it duplicated frames.

I guess I just want to know if (in general) clients can use 24pn footage or if I would be better off giving them 60p footage. Which is more friendly for distribution and why?

Is your book out yet?
 
Put the almost-finishing-touches on it last night. But it's so close to NAB that I'm gonna hold on to it and see if any announcements at NAB need to be added in.
 
thefilmaddict said:
I guess I just want to know if (in general) clients can use 24pn footage or if I would be better off giving them 60p footage. Which is more friendly for distribution and why?
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While 720/24P is an acceptable ATSC broadcast standard, I don't think any station in the US is broadcasting in that mode, I think they're all using 720/60p (and, by extension, 24p carried within 60p for film/dramatic content). So you can probably expect "over 60" to be the delivery format.
 
thefilmaddict said:
Quick question:

If I wanted to prepare footage to be watched on a HDTV via an HD DVD or if I wanted to prepare my footage for stock footage delivery (like MotionZoneHD), would I want my final video to stay 24p or should I convert it to 30p or 60p (I'm guessing that if I did 30p or 60p, Final Cut Pro would do some kind of pulldown?). Would my motion look different changing the frame rate or the same???
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Hello, go look at the website, www.MotionZoneHD.com most clips are 720 24p for now. I think 720 24p is what most people working with FCP are using. Now that FCP 5.1 will support the HVX 1080 24pA modes I hope more people will shoot in this mode as well. It used to be all video was 720x486, 29.97 and that was it. Now we have many more flavors to choose from. We are trying to build a base where we can cover much of the HD space. 720p, 24p or 30p,
1080 24p or 30p.
On stock shoots you will see I am trying to cover many bases by actually shooting the actor/model up to 6 or 7 times. In 720 24p I try to shoot one clean and then another at 48fps, then I will shoot a 1080 30p, that will cover footage for potential users of HDV who are working at 1080 29.97, then I also try to get some footage at 1080 24p to cover the potential base of people shooting HDCAM 1080 24p. Shooting an actor a few more takes is easier and better than trying to do frame rate conversions. Now that being said, I realize that you cannot shoot everything 6 or 7 times. It all depends on your situation. if it is a planned shoot then 1080 24p might be the way to go. If it action you want to cover than 720 at 24p variable or 60fps might be the way to go. Bottom line - good footage will sell, boring poorly shot video will not.
Hope this helps,

Mike Schrengohst
www.MotionZoneHD.com
 
Barry_Green said:
While 720/24P is an acceptable ATSC broadcast standard, I don't think any station in the US is broadcasting in that mode, I think they're all using 720/60p (and, by extension, 24p carried within 60p for film/dramatic content). So you can probably expect "over 60" to be the delivery format.
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Yes, Barry is correct. While we may deliver footage in 24p you would still need to format for your specific delivery.
 
So if I throw my 24pn clips onto a DVCPRO HD 60p sequence I will have the 24 p look but it will be over 60 so that most post houses can use it? Is that right?
 
Yes, go try it.
Take a 24p clip put it in a DVCPRO 720p 60 sequence.
Render and it will still look like your 24p video clip.
But most post houses will start with clips that
are 23.976 or 29.97
 
Thanks, HVXguy. It sounds like I will stick with my 24pn untouched quicktime output and let the edit house take care of the final delivery format. I just wanted to make sure that post houses can deal with 24pn footage, if they can't, I should do the conversion on my system (Final Cut Pro HD).
 
thefilmaddict said:
Thanks, HVXguy. It sounds like I will stick with my 24pn untouched quicktime output and let the edit house take care of the final delivery format. I just wanted to make sure that post houses can deal with 24pn footage, if they can't, I should do the conversion on my system (Final Cut Pro HD).
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Stock footage has been around for a long time. Now we just need to get the word out that there is a new, fresh, affordable resource out there. Shooters have been signing up left and right. I will go on a marketing push for customers right after NAB.

And don't forget to shoot that vertical footage!
Go check the veetical section out.

Mike Schrengohst
www.MotionZoneHD.com
 
Who uses vertical footage? I always had a crazy idea of shooting a vertical movie. Could you imagine a tall theater screen? The theater would need very high ceilings. I'm guessing people want vertical footage for trade shows where they can mount their plasma vertical (just a guess) or a video wall?
 
thefilmaddict said:
Who uses vertical footage? I always had a crazy idea of shooting a vertical movie. Could you imagine a tall theater screen? The theater would need very high ceilings. I'm guessing people want vertical footage for trade shows where they can mount their plasma vertical (just a guess) or a video wall?
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Crazy Art directors, all the major news and entertainment shows.
Concerts, trade shows, Fashion shows......

Has anyone seen Vertical 16:9 High Def stock footage???

Hmmmmm
 
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