RED competition @$12,500/$20,000 range

Emanuel

Emanuel

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And what about that?

key features
http://www.siliconimaging.com/DigitalCinema/key_features.html

pics & footage available (!)
http://www.siliconimaging.com/DigitalCinema/gallery_stillimages.html
http://www.siliconimaging.com/DigitalCinema/gallery_footage.html (now updated)

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LINK1

LINK2 (behind the scenes)

both added by Malcomx52

LINK3 -- the "official" Silicon Imaging link @dvxuser.com where Jason Rodriguez from SI and David Newman from Cineform, they are posting.

LINK4 -- There is some interesting discussion around here with the excellent contribution of the Silicon Imaging/Cineform Team.

PS -- This thread, as well other ones, they were opened @RED_forum and afterwards they were joined @this_helpful_sub-forum in order to carry on the info delivery about this/these new product(s).
 
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Competition is good, the demo footage is not.
Maybe it's an early prototype, but most HVX/XL1 footage I saw looked better.
 
The footage was not the best I've seen from an HD camera... specially, I noticed a slight shift in color that seems to jump every so often... it could be an encoding problem, but it was there.

If you pay attention, on the second clip at 45 seconds into the video, then it happens again 59 seconds into the video, and two more times at 1:19 and 1:24 seconds in time while playing back. I also noticed it on the other video.

I did like the overall picture, my first impression was Wow, but then.. oh! although not the best I've seen, but was pretty good.
 
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Well, the thing that will hurt it right off the bat is no FCP support.

RED sounds like it's universal in regards to NLE's. But then again, what else do we know about RED besides early specs and a few workflow solutions? This camera can go down to about a $12,000 package, will the RED be able to compete? If it's less than $30,000 and for what it is, it could still be VERY competitive with this new camera. But realistically, any higher would put it out of most people's ranges, even more than $20,000 is pushing it.

It's gonna be a long wait until Monday.:thumbsup:
 
Well is it to early to say "Is this the red killer"?
Man this concept is what people were really asking for. I mean edit 10 bit 1080p24 without expensive raid. Store 4 hours of 1080p on one 160gb hardrive. Actually I might be more excited about the workflow than the camera but the truth is this is revolutionary. The HVX200 woud be killer if it had a 160gb hardrive built in/hotswappable. P2 is great for early adopters but man this cam is great now for everyone.
12k-20k gets you--

Slow-Motion shots can be captured at speeds up to 72fps in 720P mode, 3-times 24P film rate
The Silicon Imaging SI-1920HDVR uses a single large 16:9 format 2/3” CMOS sensor, enabling the use wide aperture optics to achieve a Depth-of-Field similar to S35mm, without the need for ground-glass converters.
10 f-stop dynamic range, a 7” LCD touchscreen interface
and up to 4-hours of continuous shooting on its hot-swap 160GB notebook hard drive.
perform real-time editing of up to 4 1080/24p HD streams, without dropped frames or the need to render

AMAZING Silicon Blue
 
Nik Manning said:
The Silicon Imaging SI-1920HDVR uses a single large 16:9 format 2/3” CMOS sensor, enabling the use wide aperture optics to achieve a Depth-of-Field similar to S35mm, without the need for ground-glass converters.
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Regardless if the sensor is single CMOS or 3 CCD, at 2/3" sensor has the DOF of a 2/3" sensor. There are TONS of cameras out there with 2/3" chips (F900) and none preserves the 35mm DOF of a motion picture camera. Where would the Pro35 come to play if they would?
The DOF of a 2/3" sensor using a prime lens (wide open @1.3) will be similar to the corresponding prime @4-5.6 on a 35mm film camera.
That does not mean in any way that the rest of the features are not there and I would love to try one as soon as they'll become available.
 
Nik Manning said:
Well is it to early to say "Is this the red killer"?
Man this concept is what people were really asking for. I mean edit 10 bit 1080p24 without expensive raid. Store 4 hours of 1080p on one 160gb hardrive. Actually I might be more excited about the workflow than the camera but the truth is this is revolutionary. The HVX200 woud be killer if it had a 160gb hardrive built in/hotswappable. P2 is great for early adopters but man this cam is great now for everyone.
12k-20k gets you--
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The HVX200 will get a Cineporter add on later this year with either 160 gigs or 320.
 
DavidBeier said:
The HVX200 will get a Cineporter add on later this year with either 160 gigs or 320.
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Really? That's awesome! THe one thing that's kept my iffy on actually using the HVX was having to change out the cards every 6 min.
 
For a camera top be a Red killer it has to support the 4k format. Remember 4K downconverted to 1080p will allow better shadow and highlight detail. And very few cameras can shoot 1080p at 60 frames per secound. JVC and Olympus have experimental 4k cameras but the price is unknown. Dalsa and Panavision 4k cameras are priced to high to be a Red killer. A box 4k camera exists for sale but I do not know the price.

The naysayers will tell you that 4k is not needed because 35mm film resolves at 12 megapixels. But this is the resolution of the negative and the print is only 3 megapixels of resolution. Thus 4k digital cinema should be a big improvement to what we are used to watching in the movie theatre.
 
What is the resolution of the RED in megapixels? Isn't it 11.5 or something at it's 4K setting?
For that matter what is the resolution at 2K?

I don't like all this 2k, 4k stuff. I like hearing things in megapixels.

I wonder how the other more conventional companies will deal with RED once it's out. I mean if Jim can build the technology they can too, it's just a matter of if they want to. Competition could be real good.
 
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We should believe it When we see it.

We should believe it When we see it.

Nik Manning said:
Well is it to early to say "Is this the red killer"?
Man this concept is what people were really asking for. I mean edit 10 bit 1080p24 without expensive raid. Store 4 hours of 1080p on one 160gb hardrive. Actually I might be more excited about the workflow than the camera but the truth is this is revolutionary. The HVX200 woud be killer if it had a 160gb hardrive built in/hotswappable. P2 is great for early adopters but man this cam is great now for everyone.
12k-20k gets you--

Slow-Motion shots can be captured at speeds up to 72fps in 720P mode, 3-times 24P film rate
The Silicon Imaging SI-1920HDVR uses a single large 16:9 format 2/3” CMOS sensor, enabling the use wide aperture optics to achieve a Depth-of-Field similar to S35mm, without the need for ground-glass converters.
10 f-stop dynamic range, a 7” LCD touchscreen interface
and up to 4-hours of continuous shooting on its hot-swap 160GB notebook hard drive.
perform real-time editing of up to 4 1080/24p HD streams, without dropped frames or the need to render

AMAZING Silicon Blue
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Sounds Great!

I am very interested in how it will pan out.

Will it be as good as it's specs? Better? Short?

Again, the idea is grand.

It has to be dreamed before it can be put into action.

But, that's were the Devil is.

In the details. :)
 
The 4k resolution of red is around 4000 x 2500 or 10 megapixels. Full blown 2k 1080p is 1920x 1080 which is about 2 megapixels.
 
Barry_Green said:
2K is 2048x1556 for the 4:3 frame.
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Really? I always thought it was the verticle number that indicated the resolution.

640x480 is considered 480, same with 720 and 1080. Any idea why they changed at 2k?
 
The other resolutions are video resolutions, 2K isn't video, it's the resolution of a frame scan. 2K = 2048 in computer-speak.
 
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