Hello Mr. Pappas, your dinner is ready!

Yeah, it's a tricky decision. Definately a case of buy what suits your needs most, and what has the most acceptable trade-offs for your purposes.

24f on the Canon doesn't faze me, (price does), and on the JVC I'd worry about breathing, ca, and split screen. All have workarounds, but sometimes you don't want to workaround. For narrative work it's hard to go past the HVX.
 
Bottom line is that the HVX does not resolve fine detail because it doesn't have the pixels to do so. You guys can go on all day long about codec this and compression that. I will respectfully submit that this all sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. The shots and frames I have seen look like a larger DVX image, not true hi def.

Compressed or not, the Canon XL H1 is mind-blowingly detailed...it has nothing to do with sharpness, it has to do with recording actual information. The HVX does not cut it for detail but it looks fine with evereything else. This does not make the HVX a bad camera, just that detail is not its strength....for that reason alone, I am not interested in it right now.
 
They are all incredibly close in detal; that is the bottom line. The canon may have a minute advantage but you have to be tethered to get it !
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Actually, from what I have seen, the difference is not minute at all, it's hugely significant to my eyes. It's all a matter of what you like. For me, there is no beating the resolution of the Canon in its class and no amount of arguing will make me believe otherwise :Drogar-Evil(DBG):
 
Disjecta, can you point me in the direction of 24f footage that displays superior background detail?
 
The only realistic way to tell is to look at footage you've shot yourself so you know what went into it, and not off the internet.

And why are we talking about background detail? Are you shooting 60i? Do you want everything in focus?
 
disjecta said:
Bottom line is that the HVX does not resolve fine detail because it doesn't have the pixels to do so. You guys can go on all day long about codec this and compression that. I will respectfully submit that this all sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. The shots and frames I have seen look like a larger DVX image, not true hi def.

Compressed or not, the Canon XL H1 is mind-blowingly detailed...it has nothing to do with sharpness, it has to do with recording actual information. The HVX does not cut it for detail but it looks fine with evereything else. This does not make the HVX a bad camera, just that detail is not its strength....for that reason alone, I am not interested in it right now.
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wah, wah, wah... Someone didn't get his dose of mind blowing details from canon. Well dude, pass that around what ya been smoking cause all I see from the canon is dark merky mess, the crapiest lens around, and a big box of steaks anyone stupid enought to buy it...

I'll come over and shoot the detail out of you picking up that giant clot of a camera.. and this is someone who was loyal to canon in the video department.. Still am on their still stuff.. but what were they thinking

XL1s.. then XL2.. then this monster.. and all well after 24p and in a seemingly crazy rush... What's their deal?

Also.. come on on over and let's shoot some trees and leaves blowing in the wind while we skoot by on our skateboards... Then we'll see what kind of detail the canon has... I'd say it'll have the detail similar to super mario bros.. circa 1986.
 
Why you picking on Disjecta? I agree with him. I've looked at some of Pappas's clips and the XLH1 definitely has more detail. For Disjecta's work shooting Pine Lake nature footage detail is pretty important. The HVX really excels with its color handling. The color in this footage is awesome.

I'd really like to see some action XLH1 footage. I know it's supposed to be a more robust HDV codec, but just how robust remains to be seen.
 
Thanks Isaac, you got my point :thumbsup:

Again, for those not understanding what I said, and I apologize for hijacking this thread, this is my opinion and the criteria I am interested in. I will not indulge in disrespecting anyone else's choice of camera.

Someone said earlier that there are no wrong choices. If someone has done exhaustive research and makes a decision, then it is right. If nothing else, it's nice to challenge conventional thinking. I don't want to put the HVX on a pedestal before it has been challenged. It is simply not right for every shooting situation.
 
why did the texas shootout say the canon has the better hdv codec when the gop is longer than the jvc's?

btw, i'm an jvc owner, and i agree with the person who said the hvx is the best camera for making movies.
 
Justyn, if the HVX isn't perfect that really is ok. None of this should be personal (how can it be?). The people asking the questions want the best camera for them. That feeling of investing heavily then feeling disappointed is pretty sh!tty.

Disjecta, thanks for the link.
 
Great stuff! I liked how the sound of the siren was almost in sync with the music, although the music didn't quite fit the shots for the most part.
*gets shot*
Nah.. I know it's a test. I guess it corresponds to the stylish feel of the beach generally.
As to the the sound+music syncing, it's one of my favourite tricks. Ala the sound of the music transforming into a clock ticking. Or like in the matrix, the Rob Zombie song in the club crossfading with the alarm to the clock
 
HVX isnt good for long recording times at the moment :(

I picked the music because it is upbeat and makes watching static shots and clips more interesting. Not really my style of music for something like this but I just wanted to drop something in quickly. Anyhoo, glad you liked it. You can always hit mute -
 
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