8mm/16mm transfered to DV50

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FatBird19

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I know a guy who wants some of his 8mm and Super8 home movies transferred to video. I don't have an HVX, so I just told him to find someone else that could do it.

When I do get my HVX, that might be something I'd want to look into. What are typical amounts that people charge for transferring 8mm/16mm to a high quality digital format, like DVCPRO50?
 
Someone over at the Red Rock forum posted that they did that by projecting onto the M2 and that it worked flawlessly . . . cool, huh?
 
Disappointment garanteed.
You'll have lots of flicker, 8mm film runs at 18 fps while
video runs at 24 fps or 25 fps, depending on your country.
Not very compatible that way. Plus: taking the picture
from projection screen is pretty "amateurish" and does no
justice at all to the camera you intend to use.

For a minimal system setup look here: http://www.moviestuff.tv/8mm_telecine.html
However, it takes a lot of time to project a movie on a 1 fps basis and record the
digital picture from the camera on the HD of your computer.
 
Jester,
Film or slides? If film, go to a professional lab. Depending on your source material,
opt for CCD or a flying spot transfer.
 
PKraft said:
Disappointment garanteed.
You'll have lots of flicker, 8mm film runs at 18 fps while
video runs at 24 fps or 25 fps, depending on your country.
Not very compatible that way. Plus: taking the picture
from projection screen is pretty "amateurish" and does no
justice at all to the camera you intend to use.
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Well it's really the best option I've got at this point.
And i think the fix should be pretty simple. Either wait till I can get the HVX and film in 18fps, or I just find a projector that runs at 12fps, record in 24p, and correct in post.
 
FatBird19 said:
Well it's really the best option I've got at this point.
And i think the fix should be pretty simple. Either wait till I can get the HVX and film in 18fps, or I just find a projector that runs at 12fps, record in 24p, and correct in post.
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Or you do the right and smart thing, and send that person to a professional lab that will telecine the film.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Or you do the right and smart thing, and send that person to a professional lab that will telecine the film.
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....or, I make money :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Which I haven't been told yet actually. How much would a professional telecine cost for a customer? How much would you recommend I charge for something like this? (it may turn out that it's not worth the money becuase of the time or resources spent, which is why I'm asking what's typical for this in the market)
 
FatBird19 said:
Well it's really the best option I've got at this point.
And i think the fix should be pretty simple. Either wait till I can get the HVX and film in 18fps, or I just find a projector that runs at 12fps, record in 24p, and correct in post.
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I am not sure if the HVX can do 18 fps. And even then you'll have to adapt the framerate in post. If only 24 fps is selectable, go for 16 fps with the film and correct in post. Any 8mm projector can do 16 fps. Take care to use a film projector with a possibility to fine tune the frame rate.

If you have a Bauer 8mm projector, look here: www.telecinecomponents.de
There is a button for translating the page into english. Smart solution where the frame rate of the projector is controlled electronically so that it matches the frame rate of the video camera. AND the video camera looks right into the film gate onto the film.
Same priciple as with movie stuff, however with continuous film transportation.
 
FatBird19 said:
....or, I make money :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
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Or you are just being greedy.

Doesn't matter what a telecine session would cost compared what you might charge to undercut.

Shooting a projected piece of film on a screen or wall and calling it a transfer is what I like to call bullsh*t. It is NOT a transfer in any way shape or form.
 
FatBird19 said:
....or, I make money :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Which I haven't been told yet actually. How much would a professional telecine cost for a customer? How much would you recommend I charge for something like this? (it may turn out that it's not worth the money becuase of the time or resources spent, which is why I'm asking what's typical for this in the market)
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Depends on where you are located? US? EU? In the EU a professional CCD transfer is between 1.50 and 3.50 Euros per running minute
plus applicable tax (appr. 16 - 20%) Anything lower is bullsh**t. Anything higher is a rip off.

Ah, you could run the film at 24 fps, take it with the camera (at 24 fps) and correct that to 16 fps in post in Adobe After Effects or something
like that. Shortens transfer time, augments invoived time. Don't tell anybody, ok ;-)
 
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PKraft said:
I am not sure if the HVX can do 18 fps.
No worries. Yes it can. :)

And even then you'll have to adapt the framerate in post.
Actually that brings up a good point. What framerate should the final DVD be? I'd think that slowing the footage down to 15fps and then making it a 30p DVD would be the best option. Speeding the footage up to 24 would probably be too drastic. :/

If only 24 fps is selectable, go for 16 fps with the film and correct in post. Any 8mm projector can do 16 fps. Take care to use a film projector with a possibility to fine tune the frame rate.
Is 15fps a common framerate?
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and thanks.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Or you are just being greedy.
Doesn't matter what a telecine session would cost compared what you might charge to undercut.

Shooting a projected piece of film on a screen or wall and calling it a transfer is what I like to call bullsh*t. It is NOT a transfer in any way shape or form.
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Have you actually tried this method? Do you know for a fact that it'll look bad? Are you speaking from real life experience or just assumption?


I saw someone do something similar. They posted a clip on this site actually. I would defenitely pay for that quality.
Look, it's not like I'd lie on my site. I'll say that I'm using an "optical filmed projection process," or something like that. If the customer is not satisfied with the video results that I will post on the website, then they'll obviously look elsewhere.
And further, if absolute maximum quality of transfer is the customer's primary concern(and I am still unaware of the quality differences between a scanned and filmed transfer, so I can't really quantify how big of a deal it is) then they will, as the quality concerned customer, search the market for the best transfer possible. If they don't, now who's fault is that?
And again, what dramatic difference is there between a scanned transfer and a filmed transfer?
 
PKraft said:
Jester,
Film or slides? If film, go to a professional lab. Depending on your source material,
opt for CCD or a flying spot transfer.
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Film. A transfer to Harddrive (DVCPROHD) is gonna be about $750 per hour of film plus some extra like prep shipping etc. The film ia about 1:20 min.

I'm looking for alternatives. I think my budget for this would be like $600. Spending $1500 is not an option considering I just blew about 10k on this new cam and accessories. Being able to do it myself with the HVX would be ideal, just trying toi figure out if it's possible in any way shape or form. It doesn't have to be perfect. The film is really old anyway. I'd be up for projecting it in a small theatre and recording it that way. Just trying to figure out the best method. Shoot 24P, 60P? 60i?

Any other creative options?
 
FatBird19 said:
Have you actually tried this method? Do you know for a fact that it'll look bad? Are you speaking from real life experience or just assumption?

And again, what dramatic difference is there between a scanned transfer and a filmed transfer?
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Projected images created with light....light being projected onto a wall.....camera used to captureprojection of image.

This = equals loss of light and loss of detail.

It is NOT the same thing as running the actual print through any type of telecine process where the light beamed through the image is captured directly.

It is cheap amatuer method of attempting to provide a professional service, and quite frankly I don't take you as a professional after creating this thread. Especially, with your "or I make money" reply.

Seriously, go out and do some research on telecines and tranfers.
 
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