J.R. Hudson
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Another one bites the dust of the MAC hype machine.
How Long Before I Run Fcp On A Pc?
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Sol M.
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I use both Mac and PC on a regular basis. I used to buy custom built macs from Apple for $8,000-$10,000 a pop. And this wasn't all that long ago, either. This was only within the last 3 years. Expensive, yes, but it was the price to pay for a mac that would do the job we needed it to do. I will say current macs do offer a better price
erformance ratio that previous models (which is to be expected), but a well-configured system will still easily cost you $5,000+.
There is no way anyone who knows anything about building PCs could say that it wasn't possible to build a comparable system for less money than a well-configured mac. I know I could, and it would cost quite a bit less than that.
I'm not trying to fan the flames of a Mac vs. PC debate here (as I regularly use both), but a lot of the cost of buying a mac is because of the name (just like Sony), not a direct reflection of it's built quality and performance. A custom-built PC still has the edge regarding priceerformance.
erformance ratio that previous models (which is to be expected), but a well-configured system will still easily cost you $5,000+.There is no way anyone who knows anything about building PCs could say that it wasn't possible to build a comparable system for less money than a well-configured mac. I know I could, and it would cost quite a bit less than that.
I'm not trying to fan the flames of a Mac vs. PC debate here (as I regularly use both), but a lot of the cost of buying a mac is because of the name (just like Sony), not a direct reflection of it's built quality and performance. A custom-built PC still has the edge regarding price
erformance.
Loki
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FCP won't ever run on Windows XP or vista or any kind of MS operating system as long as Apple is still in the OS market.
You'd basically have to re-write the entire application to have it run on a windows computer, minus any platform independent code of course. Final Cut is a Cocoa Application (as far as I know), which means it won't ever run on Windows, as Cocoa is the proprietary system API on OS X.
A better question would be, why would you want to run it on a pc?
EDIT: as an aisde, I used to think the same way as others "oh you can't build a PC with the same components for less blah blah".. which is total BS now... Apple has huge margins on their systems, it is somewhere around 35% or so on the pro systems. I can gaurentee you that the margins on individual components is much lower. Though I wouldn't spend my time or money building a PC...
You'd basically have to re-write the entire application to have it run on a windows computer, minus any platform independent code of course. Final Cut is a Cocoa Application (as far as I know), which means it won't ever run on Windows, as Cocoa is the proprietary system API on OS X.
A better question would be, why would you want to run it on a pc?
EDIT: as an aisde, I used to think the same way as others "oh you can't build a PC with the same components for less blah blah".. which is total BS now... Apple has huge margins on their systems, it is somewhere around 35% or so on the pro systems. I can gaurentee you that the margins on individual components is much lower. Though I wouldn't spend my time or money building a PC...
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rook
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Tigeba, that's funny....
Loki, good to see you kickin' around the boards again.
As far as wanting to run FCP on a PC...why not? If I could get a reliable system built cheaply (and yes, it is cheaper to build a killer PC than it it is a mac)...then I'd love to.
As I said earlier, I've used macs all my life but I've also been screwed by them. It's become abundantly clear as of late that Mac doesn't love it's users as much as it's users love their macs.
I'm all for opening the doors and running mac software on a non-mac machine. What I don't understand is why anyone would be opposed to it.
-rook
Loki, good to see you kickin' around the boards again.
As far as wanting to run FCP on a PC...why not? If I could get a reliable system built cheaply (and yes, it is cheaper to build a killer PC than it it is a mac)...then I'd love to.
As I said earlier, I've used macs all my life but I've also been screwed by them. It's become abundantly clear as of late that Mac doesn't love it's users as much as it's users love their macs.
I'm all for opening the doors and running mac software on a non-mac machine. What I don't understand is why anyone would be opposed to it.
-rook
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
I think MAC is shooting themself in the foot with not making FCP available for the PC.
With such a small market-share (under 4% I believe and less than 2% Worlwide) it seems like business as usual for this company.
If they had any brains they'd open it all up.
With such a small market-share (under 4% I believe and less than 2% Worlwide) it seems like business as usual for this company.
If they had any brains they'd open it all up.
John_Hudson said:
Then again, I would NEVER consider buying a Mac...except for the fact it's necessary for Final Cut Pro. So maybe they're being very sly by keeping it Mac-only as long as possible. I bet it increases their 4% market-share over the next couple years. The pressure to go Final Cut Pro is pretty big for indie filmmakers. And everyone is now officially an indie filmmaker apparently. Watch for the next movie shot on a camera phone, coming soon.
bgundu
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Apple is first a hardware company. There software will only work on a mac. Perhaps you will find this interesting:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
SilverWolf
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tigeba said:
Me too
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Why ?
I thought the pressure was just to make a good film. If anyone is feeling pressured to edit on a specific NLE then the priorities are all over the place; anywhere but in the right place.
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And we see the question all of the time:
"I've using a PC since the dawn of time. Should I get a MAC to edit on FCP ?"
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Mac marketing hype machine.
All things being equal, and they are.
That is their strong suit.
Fuboy
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You certainly can run FCP on a PC now that Apple has released the universal binaries of the Pro Apps. You can't do it legally, but it can be done. On the new Intel Macs, OSX looks for a specific chip in the system to make sure that it is running on Apple hardware. So the hackers have gone in an disabled that search from within OSX allowing the OS to run on a non-Apple machine. Once, installed (as of now, there is only specific Intel hardware that OSX will run on reliably) you can run Mac software as long as it is the universal binary release that will run on both platforms. Check out osx86project.org if you want more info.
Sol M.
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Just a slight correction: non-universal binary Mac OSX applications CAN run on Intel Macs thanks to Rosetta (link). So, if someone could get OSX to boot on their own hardware, there's nothing really stopping them from using the app. That's not to say it'll run as well as the universal version would, but they can still run it.
For example, Adobe Photoshop runs on the new MacBook Pros even though no Adobe apps have been updated to uinversal (though benchmarks are showing it to run somewhat slower than the G4 Powerbooks)
For example, Adobe Photoshop runs on the new MacBook Pros even though no Adobe apps have been updated to uinversal (though benchmarks are showing it to run somewhat slower than the G4 Powerbooks)
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adkimery
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John_Hudson said:
Open it up and start bleeding money left and right? For a few years now Apple and Dell have been the only profitable computer companies. But if being a profitable, successful, expanding, market leading company is a sign of shooting yourself in the foot then, by god, I hope I manage to shoot myself in the foot for the rest of my life.
Apple makes its money selling hardware, not software, so what would they gain by releasing a non-Mac version of their killer app?
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rook
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I've been reading over that forum.
Those guys are smart. Seiously. Clever dudes. But I think it's a little while more before the jump is practical. Right now it feels more like a stunt.
"hey, check it out! I'm running FCP on a dell."
Amazing as it is, it doesn't seem to be perfected just yet.
Oh well, I was hoping Mac would have a competitor in the hardware depatment. That could mean good things for buyers. Buyers like me.
Guess I'm not upgrading to a cheap PC anytime soon. I'm stuck on my crumby powerbook with the faulty screen.
Thanks again steve jobs.
-rook
Those guys are smart. Seiously. Clever dudes. But I think it's a little while more before the jump is practical. Right now it feels more like a stunt.
"hey, check it out! I'm running FCP on a dell."
Amazing as it is, it doesn't seem to be perfected just yet.
Oh well, I was hoping Mac would have a competitor in the hardware depatment. That could mean good things for buyers. Buyers like me.
Guess I'm not upgrading to a cheap PC anytime soon. I'm stuck on my crumby powerbook with the faulty screen.
Thanks again steve jobs.
-rook
When I say there's "pressure on indie filmmakers to go with FCP," I mean that if you want to be compatible with everyone else around you, I'm finding I'm increasingly alone on Avid Xpress. Also getting help from the indie community is more likely on Final Cut, because indie folks seem more familiar with it. Same with me walking into THEIR edit suite and them asking me for help...if it were Avid, I could show them what they need to do...on Final Cut, I'm less familiar with it. I even had one 20-year veteran feature film editor say to me, "why are you going Avid, go with FCP." Nevertheless, I learned Avid and love it. Right now, I'm delivering two docs to a broadcaster and the entire production company I'm working with right now is FCP. Most smaller joints are.