Uncompressed 4.4.4. HD from DVX100 - demo

TimurCivan said:
What the hell do you edit it with?
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You don't edit the uncompressed.. you cut with a copy in DV. You replace the DV with the full quality once you make your edit decisions. Its like working with film prints. Its very slow work, but worth it I think.
 
Looks great. To think its been their this whole time, but we just couldn't get it. Did you capture to hardrive or computer? What specif system did you use? Any major problems? What did you color correct/edit with? Keep on rock'n....
 
Aza said:
But disjecta, I don't see how, no matter how well you light a regular dv25 shot, you are gonna be able to get the sort of keys that 4:4:4 will give you. The format just doesn't have the information. You might get "OK" keys but that's it. Also, with 2-3 stops more dynamic range, you're not gonna be able to beat that with a dv25 cam. Light both right, and I'm guessing you'll have a lot more detail in the Reelstream.

Basically the mod captures more information. Information that's normally lost during dv25 recording, so you're SOL.
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I disagree on the keying thing. I have been able to achieve a brilliant key from a stock DVX.
 
briceman said:
I disagree on the keying thing. I have been able to achieve a brilliant key from a stock DVX.
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Briceman, you might get a good key, but I think mathematics will prove that if you've given away colour samples, you're just not going to get them back. You might get close, but it won't be the proverbial cigar. That's all I was saying. I've seen some really nice keying with dv25 but 4:4:4 will beat it unless, I guess you frame by frame touch it up.
 
looks great!

i can definitely see this being used for music video type stuff.

hopefully i can work my butt off this summer and be able to afford this.
 
dvpixl said:
ok. now lets see this thing with a 35mm adapter.
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Go to REdrock's site. The big thing was the M2 and Andromeda, and how well the M2 held up under HD and how AMAZING it looked hooked up to an ANdromeda.

I swear its one of the best looking images ive ever seen come from Video.

Not the sharpest of course, but the quality of the image is astounding.
 
thoughtfactory2 said:
Did you capture to hardrive or computer? What specif system did you use? Any major problems? What did you color correct/edit with? Keep on rock'n....
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You capture to a hard drive.. right now the capture software is only available for mac... but a PC version is coming out very soon I think.

I haven't had any problems so far..

I used fcp and after effects, simple color curve type ccing..
 
This is very cool. I love the whole concept.

I can't believe these things are available. I'm very interested....

Matt, what's the biggest problem with it?

-rook
 
rook said:
Matt, what's the biggest problem with it?

-rook
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Hi rook .... whatcha been up to lately? Project wise, I mean?

Re: biggest problem with Andromeda.

Answer: The data. You can easily generate 200G of data during a day of shooting. And that just raw take files. You have to render out those raw takes into clips in order to watch anything. It takes a while for me to back it all up on data DVDs. And a big render has to be done overnight.
But the thing is, I have myself psyched that it's going to be slow going, just like a film project. If I want fast and fun shooting then I can always shoot on tape and deal with the limitations of that.
But right now I want to keep learning about cinematography.. and I'd hit a wall with just plain ol' DVX. (not every wall, just a coupe of big ones, like color)

The footage from andromeda gives me so many more options. That's what I want, is options.

I could go on and on 'cause I'm pretty happy with this system so far. Give me a few weeks under some tougher practical conditions and I'll have more to report.

Oh.. and I just got word there may be an HVX vs. Andromeda shoot in the making (here in T.O) .. stay tuned..
 
Hmm this stuff looks pretty good.

I would love to see a Varicam, HVX, DVX-ANDROMEDA comparison.

I would guess that the HVX is still a little more managable because you can use P2 cards and don't have to be teathered to a computer.

Maybe when I get my HVX I'll send out my DVX to get modded. (dreaming)

I've heard the reasoning before but how can the DVX get more resolution than the HVX on 720p?
 
Matthew,

Thank you for your insight into the work-flow of this system.

What is the work-flow like with green screen footage? Do you pull keys in the dv space and hope you get it right or can you work with the 4:4:4 footage directly.

Thanks for all of your input , its greatly appreciated.
 
this won't truly matter, but the argument about keying is kinda moot. with todays software you can shoot a straight shot and just rotomatte the area you need and create the "perfect" composite. so no hassle of setting up blue/green screens...no worry about spill...no worry about losing fleshtones...however the argument can be made about shooting through water, fine hair, windows...but then somebody who's good at CG can make you think it's a glass of water, render hair, and fake glass. so really do we need to worry about "keys"...and before anyone responds with "it saves time"...hmmm...seems i keep seeing that somebody appreciates putting in the work. :thumbsup:
 
Matt,

Thanks for the info. Over night renders huh? Ouch. But the results look great!

As far as what I'm doing right now....grant writing and a lot of waiting and writing.

I just got a small grant to do some experimental stuff so I'm building a few things I'll need for my shots.

-rook
 
Overnight renders? I can deal with that. Back in 1999 when I started nonlinear editing, I had Premiere 4.2 and a Miro DC 30 card. 5 min of footage took overnight to render.

Ahh, those were the days. Pentium IIs were not meant to be editing machines.
 
Vampiresoup said:
Overnight renders? I can deal with that. Back in 1999 when I started nonlinear editing, I had Premiere 4.2 and a Miro DC 30 card. 5 min of footage took overnight to render.

Ahh, those were the days. Pentium IIs were not meant to be editing machines.
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Wow, yeah, I often forget how much power we're playing with now, comparitively. I remember a friend running After Effects on one of those beige pizza box macs with 16mb of RAM ... brutal, a frame process wold take an hour..
The future rules!
 
Slice said:
What is the work-flow like with green screen footage? Do you pull keys in the dv space and hope you get it right or can you work with the 4:4:4 footage directly.

Thanks for all of your input , its greatly appreciated.
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For my latest keys I've outputted the raw takes as a series of sequentially numbered .tiff frames, 1540x984 frame size. I just go for using the hi-res right away.

But, if I was editing some live action dialogue piece that integrated a lot of greenscreen footage, with complex timing, etc, I'd probably just do a bad key in DV first, just to see the timing, and then go back and do the 'perfect' version later, once all my edit decisions had been made.

With this type of system you have to plan your workflow out from start to finish... for max efficiency. There are lots of different end products.. you just come with a plan that suits you best.
 
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