Learning the "Skin Tone" adjustment is a necesscity

stephenlnoe

stephenlnoe

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Hi,

HD is SO revealing in closeups. It is a good idea to get to know how to use the skin tone adjustment so that faces are made much softer. I had the skin tone adjustment set for a fair person instead of a dark person. With that setting there was no compensation for wrinkles or skin blemishes and texture. Word to the wise, if you want to make the talent look their best, get to know the skin tone adjustment and use it. Here is an example frame grab without using it:

Detail level is -7 but I didn't remember to adjust the skin tone and turn the skin tone on in order to beautify this man.

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So my question is, Stephen, assuming you've used it. Suppose you have detail set at -6. Then you turn on skin detail at -2. Is the -2 relative to the -6 or relative to normal?
 
WarrenS said:
So my question is, Stephen, assuming you've used it. Suppose you have detail set at -6. Then you turn on skin detail at -2. Is the -2 relative to the -6 or relative to normal?
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The Skin detail is it's own function and it only works on the color that you've defined as skin tone. Once you define the skin tone color then you have the control of how to handle that color in the skin tone adjustment screen. As far as being "additive" with the normal detail settings, I don't know. The skin tone has a somewhat different effect on the single color than does the overall detail settings. You can get skin pretty soft using the skin tone (soft enough to remove wrinkles).
 
You know, he looks fine to me. I can imagine when that's moving it would give a more 'raw' and real feel. Sort of make him more human IMO.
 
OK. I'll start.

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I'll Give it a go..




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I see nothing terribly wrong with the detail moreso than the proccesses taken to get the shot

The highlights are screaming on the skin. The right side is nice and soft and complimentary whereas the left side appears to be a hard source (Is it?) and in the wrong place at that. Maybe bouncing it would have been a better choice. You can practically see the light in his cheek.

There is always the option of using a Mattebox and Soft-FX Filter is the detail is too gnarly.
 
Isn't it presumptive to criticize key placement when you weren't there? There's nothing "wrong" about it. That's like saying "Dude! Bro! In your avatar, you completely blew out the right side of his face!"
 
Is'nt it presumptive to criticize my critique ? :huh:

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It does'nt look good to me. (Sorry Stephen; no offense meant :lipsrseal )

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You guy's are complaining about which number to dial in the Skin Detail Setting and making 'Funny Caption' quotes and I'm offering another approach to alleviate the problem.

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Lighten up.
 
Actually I think a little of both is OK; humor and critique as long as it's not criticism and only Hudson can know how it was meant. He came down on the side of critique so in my opinion, let's go on from there. Stephen, it does look hard on the left side and empty on the right. Is that what you were going for and if so, how did the use of the skin tone affect the original to get it to here. Or is this the original and we haven't seen the skin detain in play yet? I've got 2 DPs coming down on both sides of the Skin Detail argument, use or needless and I'd like your opinion.
 
Fair enough Jlames

... and in the wrong place at that
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I stand on the side of humility. These were definately not the choice of words I should have used. There is nothing wrong about someone else style.

I should have said 'Not where I would have put the key !"
 
Cool. That's what family is all about. And I have to tell you, I'm constantly amazed at running into people who know me or others from this Board. And everyone says the same thing; Your JVC Board is so completely unlike any others that are up. Others are flame-fests and the JVC board really is there for helping people; very professional. And I think that's great. It literally happens at least once a week when we're on location with new grips or juicers or whatever. I ran into Nate Weaver today at JVC. It's always great to meet you guys in person and I'm looking forward to NAB.
 
That's cool guys. I appreciate the spirit in which it is meant. I'd also like some hard looks at skin detail tests (no pun there).
 
Stephen, do you have any frame caps of displaying the difference with using the "Skin Tone" adjustment verses not? As of yet, I have not dived to deep into this feature.

I believe John was just mentioning the use of creative lighting to make facial features not so hard looking.

That's what's so great about this board. There is a diverse amount of knowledge here. There are some that know the scope of this field and some that are focused in particular areas.

I'm still learning more and more everyday!

Steve
 
Stephen...Stephen are you there laddie? We're afraid those cold Lakeshore winds have finally gotten the best of you...just when you've inspired such a great topic!!!
 
Hi Guys,

I try not to get involved in someone else's critique especially when they are not onsite involved in discussions and not a part of the post production effort. They are entitled to their opinion, however, I challenge all to post their stuff (as I do) so that we can all have a look at other techniques. Hard light was a conscious choice between the DP and I. We intend to pull a luminance key or RGB difference with the shot. There was no way anyone would know that execpt the people involved in setting up the shot and besides, it's completely off topic. So.....

Now back on topic. With the gentleman in question I think you can get away with such razor sharp focus but when dealing with female talent, they want to be shown in the best light as well as the most favorable focus and in that case the skin tone function is intended to smooth wrinkles as well as enhance beauty (in camera) without having to accomplish it in post. I LIKE it and it's just one more tool built into the HD-100 that makes it a complete tool and so special. It is a seldom mentioned, very well though out and usefull function.

All the best amigos....
 
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I believe John was just mentioning the use of creative lighting to make facial features not so hard looking
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...and that is all I was suggesting. :P

I try not to get involved in someone else's critique especially when they are not onsite involved in discussions and not a part of the post production effort.
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If that was the case I would think we'd never have anything to talk about at the forums (Not being there and all).

My apologies Stephen, I thought it was open for discussion. I did not mean to be intrude.
 
Stephen - I have not used this function as yet, use various filters to get a softer feel for certain advertising products or female shots. What difference do you find between using this in-camera feature and filters? what are the pros and cons?

Thanks Stephen...

Stu...
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