HVX Hands-On in Hong-Kong

SPZ

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Just returned from a trip to Hong-Kong. I was at the Panasonic Broadcast main Offices in Tsim Sha Tsui, and had the chance to play around with the HVX (NTSC), as well as see how the whole P2 system works. First of all, I have to give my sincere thank you to Marcus Lau, engineer and overall responsible of the HVX product in HK, who was with me during the entire morning testing the various functions of the HVX (and for the excelent "acting"in front of the camera- I know you didn't like to see yourself on camera, Marcus, but it was great! :) ) . Also, a very special thank you to Mr. Philip Wu, General Manager for Professional Av. Equipment at Panasonic Hong-Kong. Just for everyone to know, these guys are also readers of the dvxuser forum! Jarred, as you can see, your site is a worldwide dvx and HVX reference! :)

Anyway, here are my first impressions from testing the camera. Note that there will be many comparisons with the DVX, since I'm a dvx user after all:

Lets start with camera aesthetics and exterior design:

(This is probably well known to user on the USA, due to the camera being available for more than 4 months over there. )

1- The color of the camera is very strange: its neither black or blue, but something in between. It looks blackish. I would have liked it better full black, but it certainly looks better than the "blue" shots we get on the net.

2- The camera is considerably heavier than the DVX. This means steadier shots, but also more fatigue grabbing the machine. Still, handheldable.

3- Sincerely, didn't like the lens cap with the very big "Panasonic" written on it. The lens cap covers the entire lens plus the matte box, and its huge. I would really prefer something similar to the original DVX- Round and "pocketable"

Now, for the button layout:

1-The buttons seem well positioned, displayed very similarly to the DVX. It was very easy to adapt to the few changes of the HVX layout. What this means is that going from the dvx to the HVX is a natural step.

2- I'm probably one of the few people that like the original DVX's "Joystick" control. The new HVX control is situated on top of the camera, and is far less intuitive and responsive. While you could do everything with the dvx's stick, in the HVX, you have to press various combinations of buttons. This is, however, subjective, and definetly not important.

3- The Iris dial is a lot bigger, and feels better than the DVX one. However, its located a bit further than the original dvx position, which made me search for it constantly due to dvx habit. This is something that will bother old DVX users more than new ones, tough.

Camera operation

Like I said before, the camera works very similarly to the DVX. However, there are a few things that I need to point out:

1- Zoom. The manual zoom is a lot thighter than the DVX100a one, which was already an improvement from the original dvx. It doesn't alow the fastest zooms ever like the dvx did ( but can do crash zooms very close nonetherless), but is a LOT more controlable for manual slow to middle speed zooms, something almost impossible with the dvx.

2- Focus- its impossible to focus without the Focus assist- fact. However, while filming Marcus, I could pull precise focus with the focus assist werever I wanted, so this is doable without an external monitor. The lcd monitor, like reported, is Poor. No excuses for its low resolution. The Sony Z1 lcd is better.

The Picture

Now this was the main concern for me, before the test, with all the noise issues and concerns. Here's what I tought of the picture.

1- The Noise is there (like someone said). However, the noise on the HVX is not the noise of the DVX100a. The dvx100a had a big noise problem (at least for me), which led me to always put detail coring up to +6 and detail -2. This would clear the noise but give a picture that, resolution wise, was inferior to the competition (Sony and Canon). However, the color and the gamma was there and could somehow compensate for this in some comercial SD work.

The HVX noise doesn't make the picture feel less solid or more "cheapish and consumerish". Due to the bigger color space (I presume) The image maintains the detail and impressivenes of HD. The noise, like Barry Green said, looks a lot more like film grain. This is definetly not a big problem. I have, however, seen something that can be the "macroblocking issue" that people are talking about while filming a small probably 50 watt yellow light in a dark room. This was a small detail- I've still got this footage and I'll try to get it trough the NLE in order to see if this goes away, like reported, in Editing. Anyway, this is, again, not much of a concern. It is barely noticeable and shouldn't affect the look of your production.

2- Variable frame rates- This is the revolution of this camera. This is a factor that can, by itself, stablish this cam away from the competition. I tried slow motion at 48P in order to emulate what we PAL users are going to get with 50p, and am very happy to report that 48p Slow motion is not a big difference from 60p slow motion. While 60p is indeed a bit smoother than 48p, it is barely noticeable in the majority of recording circunstances. And the SLow motion is simply beautifull... The creative possibilities this can bring us...

I also did (by mistake, some speed up at 60P with a 48p frame rate, which caused a small speed up that was "unnaturally natural"- this should be good for cheesy car chases and fighting scenes...

3- Gamma- The HVX looks a lot more solid than the DVX in therms of picture and colors. Everything just seems more natural. The gamma seems similar, but the extra color space really comes in and gives that extra "Punch" to the footage. Believe me, this camera properly used can very well produce some really impressive films, and I don't mean just documentaries...

P2 workflow:

I tested the camera with a 4gb P2 card. It filled up very rapidly. What I liked:

1- Being able to view the shots I did separated, like viewing pictures on a digital camera. This is great, and no more forward and rewinding (and erasing precious footage by bad memory :)

2- Viewing the results of undercranking and overcranking immediately. This is amazing, and can help a versatile and creative individual to come with amazing unplaned shots on location.

3- No capture. No explanation needed.

What I didn't like:

1- Small recording times vs cost of the media. This has all being discussed, but I have to agree that its still too much to pay for mere 4gb.

2- Needs at least a 2 card setup for "on the field" recording. And this needs also a p2store- I'm talking about event and "live"coverage. For film production, the P2store might not be needed. (There's also no need for a continuous shoot in this conditions, tough- Yes, you could say "But I want to film Russian Ark 2!", or "What About my Timecode clone project? ".)

3- PRICE! :)


Anyway, this is just a basic report. I also got news that the PAL camera should be arriving first week of April (shipping end of the Month), and that it SHOULD (enphasys on SHOULD) have higher resolution on the PAL model. There was also some mention of future compatibility with 720p50 in FCP. However, not confirmed.

Anyone wants to know anything more specific please ask. I'm no expert, but I'll try to answer the questions if I know. I'll aslo update this if something else comes along. I'm out of internet untill monday (just moved and have no internet at home, only in the office), so I'll have plenty to think, test and remember on the next post. :)

Once again, thanks to Shun Hing, Marcus Lau and Philip Wu at Panasonic Broadcast HK- excelent costumer care. Its good to know you guys are listening to the things happening over here!

Spz
 
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Thanks for your report Spz,
also if i am a bit disappointed that you only could see the ntsc modell.
I was really hoping to get my cam here in europe till the end of march, but its strange that they dont even got the pre-production pal modell.
Anyway, i also heard from a report in a german magazine(they had short time with a pal preproduction modell) that the pal will probably have more resolution(what would also "justify" a higher price..!)

Lets hope that we all can get ur hands on the pal modell as soon as possible!
 
Hey SPZ you've did it, before myself! Tomorrow probably I'll see Hvx200, according Adcom company it's reported to be Hvx200e (so it's Pal model).
But I dunno if I can touch it or to be near to the camera, 'coz I'm pretty sure that will be a lot of people jumpin' around it.

Great report...and stay tuned! :)
 
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Ok, back at the office to check some mails. Figured I could add something I remembered on the test that might be usefull for someone who was planning on shooting with the NTSC camera on Pal land.

I tried to shoot some stuff in 60p in 24PN but with High shutter speed. I was shooting under flourescent lights, and it was impossible to avoid the flickering at higher than 6O shutter speed. We tried synchro scan, but to no avail. I believe it is very troublesome (under flourescent lights) to shoot with the NTSC model. Since Hong-Kong and Macau are known by the beautiful neon lights they have at night, and the majority of shops, traditional coffee houses, etc. use flourescent lighting, this is pretty much a deal breaker to me... The use of Neons and flourescent lighting is not so proeminent in Europe, so probably this is a bigger problem for me...

This has been said before, but in film cam mode, the Synchro scan function is viewed in a special film measure, in contrast to video mode, where the shutter speed maintains its video reading. I don';t know if this reading could be changed in the options, but it was confusing for a guy that doesn't know how to read the measure scale of the film cam mode...

However, I'm all set for the PAL camera. Just 2 weeks (more or less) to go!
 
berni said:
have you considered any other hdv's? if so what's your opinion.

Indeed I have. I have seen the Sony Z1, and seems to be the standard camera for low budget HD in the TV stations and production houses around the area. I saw footage of the Z1 in the same screen I saw footage of the HVX, in a production house in HK. There's no comparison, for me. The HVX is better.

As for the Canon and JVC cameras... I've seen the online footage of both. Haven't tried them personally, but from what I could see from web footage, the color problem is still there... The JVC's footage looks like the dvx footage, but in HD. The HVX footage looks more than that... Richer, more natural.

However, the main downside of the JVC, for me, is not having 50i or 50p shooting. If it had these options, I would look more seriously to it. Since I'm also working on diferent projects, like events coverage, that require 50i/p, and even some News gattering, this would seriously handicap my production capabilities.

The Canon is the only camera that attracts me besides the HVX. Resolution wise its better in interlace (the picture does show that), but seems to lack in dinamic range, which is also essential for my work, since a lot of the events I shoot are during the day and require good dinamic range. EDIT- The dinamic range is also much more important for my short film work, since I really want the best possible exteriors shots I can get. For some of my event coverage work this is not that much of a problem, but, then again...

It has also the advantage of HD-sdi out, which theoretically grants a better overal picture in ALL modes compared to the HVX. However, in real life circunstances, the HD-sdi is very difficult or expensive to use on location (exteriors), and there are no Firestore like devices that can cope with the datarate (this could change, but it wouldn't be one the same price range as current hdv or eve dvcprohd solutions).

Also, its a shoulder mount heavy camera, compared to the handheld design of the HVX. For me, handheld form is a plus due to my shooting style. Its also a lot less intrusive.

Upside, again, is the recording times on tape and immediate archiving solution. However, HDV doesn't cut it for me, not because of the long GOP everyone talks about or the motion artifacts, but because of the 4:2:0 color sampling. This is very noticeable, at least for me. And I was really impressed by the variable frame rates, even 48p. It is a creative option I certainly want to have in my short films.

Since I'm an aspiring filmmaker and a working producer and director for both tv comercial and event coverage work, I figured that, businesswyse, I needed to make a decision between these two cameras, and came up with this solution:

The businessman me, who does tv comercials and event coverage, looks set to buy the Canon xl-h1.

The aspiring filmmaker me will definetly buy the HVX200.

The businessman me will ask for the filmmaker me for some help specially on tv comercials and those very important live events, but will be very happy with the long recording times on the Canon and overall good quality of the Picture on its regular event shooting.

The filmmaker me, however, will even be more happy with the amazing content it will produce with the HVX, and will be looking forward to take the businessman me's time more and more untill it becomes in full control of him and completely takes over-in a good sense. (Talk about DR. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde!... :) )

EDIT AGAIN- The Business Man me (which is not me, but a bunch of people) would buy the HVX only if the Cineporter was available soon. This is the only solution I like (untill the 16gbor 32gb p2 cards arrive) for long therm recording. I don't like the firestore concept on the HVX. It seems to not use the machine's functions fully like the cineporter promises. The filmmaker me, however, is all set and happy with his powerbook, 2 8gb cards and a usb otg Harddrive. Short film shooting requires time, Lighting, directing actors, set preparation, so it is a non-issue whatsoever. And no shot is going to last as long as 16Minutes of the highest bitrate 1080P...
 
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Just to add something to my last post...

These cameras are future proof investments. Here, I don't expect SD broadcasting to go away, at least for the next 4 years. The HVX is a great HD camera and also the best SD 1/3 ccd camera with the dvcpro 50 codec (Probably the JVC comes pretty close with its 50P and 60P in SD). Consumer electronics are pushing for a 1080P broadcast standard for the coming years, so, broadcast wise, everyone seems safe on purchasing any of these cameras. The RED camera certainly looks amazing on Paper, but should be in a Sony F350 or Panasonic HDX400 price range. And it will probably only appear in sellable form next year. So what does this mean for someone going for a purchase right now? (in my own subjective opinion, of course :)

The HVX is the best 1/3 ccd camera for narrative work, 24p/25p production and short TV comercial work. It could be the best low cost camera also for Event and live show coverage with a long recording time solution, which is, for me, the Cineporter. Since this does not exist yet, it is still not the best solution for this market.

The Canon XL-H1 is the best camera for a low budget TV Studio 50i production, if there's a possibility of taking advantage of the HD-sdi out. It should be very good also for Chroma Key with the HD-sdi out. If HDV ends up being the recording solution, than disregard the last statement. It is also the best low cost HD camera for recording live long events. It records a very flat image, that can be tweaked to everyones content in Post production, but it certainly doesn't give you the immediate joy of shooting the HVX does.
 
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Here I am! I'm Back from Rome! Report soon! Tested Pal *prerelease* camera! Also Varicam, Hdcam, jibs and all the beauty for hours!
 
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