What We've Learned From The Noise Threads

Jarred Land said:
Just to make a point.. of the 3459 posts on noise in the last month.. how many posts were of actual value?
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More than zero.
Would it have been better if this "noise" (turned out to be banding block) issue would have been discussed only in other forums than dvxuser?
I certainly have benefitted from these threads and hope that we will have similiar in the future.
 
I agree toke.

3459 posts simply do not materialize out of thin air unless someone feels there is merit in its content. Obviously, Jarred (and I’m sure others) feel the discussion was of little value, but on a philosophical level and one of principle I am deeply troubled by that viewpoint. These posts were more than the mindless ramblings of video eccentrics with unrealistic expectations. These people had very real concerns about the camera’s performance. Sure, in the world of digital video, this $6000 camera is a steal by any comparison, but at the same time people shouldn’t have to settle for something especially if its performance (in their opinion) is not commensurate with the promises and/or fanfare placed upon this device.

As consumers, we vote with our wallet. It's one thing to share enthusiam over a new product, but I'm more concerned how we handle that enthusiam when it potentially compromises the integrity of sharing the good with the bad. Unless one is sucking at the tit of <insert company here> then why should any of us be concerned with suppressing negative comments while simultaneously showcasing the positive? Will a negative review also get a sticky at the top of the thread list along with Francis Ford Coppola, and if not, then why? Do we not do a disservice to our community by cherry picking the good while waving off the bad? There is a lot of us that are trying to sift through the chaff of marketing into making an informed decision. As I have said in the last two posts, let the chips fall where they may. Just like throwing a cat off a hot tin roof, things have a tendency of righting themselves. If the HVX is truly the next messiah of prosumer camcorders then comments from the community will reflect that sentiment.

Now on a realistic level, I do partially understand Jarred’s reasons for wanting to stifle the noise thread(s). It’s kind of like yelling “fire” in a movie theater. Legal technicalities aside, sure, a can person say it, but does it make it right or even socially responsible to do so? As we all can imagine, such reckless behavior can cause tremendous damage in the aftermath. Likewise, I’m sure the moderators was concerned that the “noise” posts would show overblown and unfair treatment to what many consider a great camera.

If you haven’t figured out by now, my beef is not with the HVX than with the conduct and manner in which information is shared within this community. Unless one is obviously trolling or being a nuisance and/or troublemaker, ALL should share differences of opinion without fear of reprisals or being persona non-gratis with the community leaders or its particpants.
 
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Barry_Green said:
This community's been around a long, long time. And before it was a bitchfest, it was a community. And people liked talking about what projects they were working on, and they liked seeing what other people were working on. And they liked pointing out where their chosen tool was being used. When InDigEnt switched from PD150's to DVX's, it was a source of pride for a lot of members here. When "November" won best cinematography at Sundance, it got talked a lot about. When people hear about a new project being shot on the DVX or the HVX, they talk about it.

Heck, when people spot a DVX on an episode of BattleStar Galactica they come in here and talk about it.

And we're glad they do. They're having fun. They're sharing something. They're being a community. And they're welcome to.

So no, we aren't gonna take that post down. Hell no. People like it. They get excited by it. They look forward to those projects to see what "their baby can do."

If you're truly, honestly "insulted" by it, you might have to re-evaluate whether this is the community for you. This is a big community, and it caters to all levels: those who are working professionals and high-paid multi-varicam owners like Harlan, and those whose sole dream is to work at Pizza Hut long enough that they can afford to someday buy a used DVX100.

This is a community.

We LIKE being a community.

We're going to continue being a community. And those who like the community are welcome to come here and participate and discuss. And those who don't like it would probably find themselves happier if they went elsewhere.
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And we don't need to have one DVX or one HVX units to belong to this beloved dvxuser.com community. Today we can be with the JVC, Sony or GV...but tomorrow, who knows if we will not be@Pana*_town as well?!... :love4:

* [EDIT -- I just can speak for myself as their customer since 1986/1990 but I'm asking if to be@there_or_here if it will be more or less relevant than to love the motion pictures at least as our major reason to be wherever]
 
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Ranger said:
I agree toke.

3459 posts simply do not materialize out of thin air unless someone feels there is merit in its content. Obviously, Jarred (and I’m sure others) feel the discussion was of little value, but on a philosophical level and one of principle I am deeply troubled by that viewpoint. These posts were more than the mindless ramblings of video eccentrics with unrealistic expectations. These people had very real concerns about the camera’s performance. Sure, in the world of digital video, this $6000 camera is a steal by any comparison, but at the same time people shouldn’t have to settle for something especially if its performance (in their opinion) is not commensurate with the promises and/or fanfare placed upon this device.

As consumers, we vote with our wallet. It's one thing to share enthusiam over a new product, but I'm more concerned how we handle that enthusiam when it potentially compromises the integrity of sharing the good with the bad. Unless one is sucking at the tit of <insert company here> then why should any of us be concerned with suppressing negative comments while simultaneously showcasing the positive? Will a negative review also get a sticky at the top of the thread list along with Francis Ford Coppola, and if not, then why? Do we not do a disservice to our community by cherry picking the good while waving off the bad? There is a lot of us that are trying to sift through the chaff of marketing into making an informed decision. As I have said in the last two posts, let the chips fall where they may. Just like throwing a cat off a hot tin roof, things have a tendency of righting themselves. If the HVX is truly the next messiah of prosumer camcorders then comments from the community will reflect that sentiment.

Now on a realistic level, I do partially understand Jarred’s reasons for wanting to stifle the noise thread(s). It’s kind of like yelling “fire” in a movie theater. Legal technicalities aside, sure, a can person say it, but does it make it right or even socially responsible to do so? As we all can imagine, such reckless behavior can cause tremendous damage in the aftermath. Likewise, I’m sure the moderators was concerned that the “noise” posts would show overblown and unfair treatment to what many consider a great camera.

If you haven’t figured out by now, my beef is not with the HVX than with the conduct and manner in which information is shared within this community. Unless one is obviously trolling or being a nuisance and/or troublemaker, ALL should share differences of opinion without fear of reprisals or being persona non-gratis with the community leaders or its particpants.
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Yeah I don't know what to think. I mean the noise thread did become a circle jerk at some point with little new info being put forth. But at the same time it was very helpful to me as an HVX user/owner in trying to overcome the problems and maximize the camera's full potential. It was comforting to see I was not alone or crazy.

I didn't just complain I worked at trying to fix or work around the issue. The thread gave me great research and info to do that.

I for one think the thread actually helped the HVX cause more than hurt it. People would be bashing the camera all over the internet about the noise but at least here I could clearly see it was not the "FIRE" it was made out to be. We had plenty of examples and lighting tests to compare and different opinions to weigh in on.

What became obvious was not everyone would like the HVX "look" just like some don't like the Vision2 Stock look or the Canon look. But it was a great camera for my purposes and I was happy.

Needless to say I was shocked the thread was shut down but they freely allowed threads like this to continue so I don't think it was a conspiracy just a whim of the sites owners. It's their party dispite all the talk of community we're just visitors looking for a few tips and for the most part the site does provide that. You just have to use your brain when reading any post and always be skeptical of anything good or bad.

I had to realize DVXUSER is not bastion of demacracy it's a Panasonic forum and a pretty good one at that. It has saved me many hours of HVX trouble shooting so I can't complain.
 
It was a bit scary to me, and I ended up where I started--though a little wiser. Overall, I benefitted from the discussion.

For what it's worth.
 
3459 posts on noise in the last month...

I think Jarred counted the 1092 posts handling 'clunk NOISE' too, to get this number?
 
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