Can you edit HD with Premiere Pro?

reflex

reflex

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Im a little unclear about the subject. I have PP and if I shot something in 1440 x 1080, am I able to edit that with what I have? My computer should be plently fast enough to handle it

3.0gHz P4
2.5 RAM
380 HD space
nVidea GeForce fx 5200 VC
etc...

The setting for editing in PP give 720 x 480 in either 4:3 or 16:9.
If you go into custom settings you can select Microsoft video from the dropdown box and then manually type in 1440 x 1080. Is taht it? or do I have to still capture in 720 x 480? AND if so, is that all taht I have to do to downconvert to SD? ( captureing in SD mode? 720 x 480)
 
reflex said:
Im a little unclear about the subject. I have PP and if I shot something in 1440 x 1080, am I able to edit that with what I have? My computer should be plently fast enough to handle it

3.0gHz P4
2.5 RAM
380 HD space
nVidea GeForce fx 5200 VC
etc...

The setting for editing in PP give 720 x 480 in either 4:3 or 16:9.
If you go into custom settings you can select Microsoft video from the dropdown box and then manually type in 1440 x 1080. Is taht it? or do I have to still capture in 720 x 480? AND if so, is that all taht I have to do to downconvert to SD? ( captureing in SD mode? 720 x 480)
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http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/systemreqs.html
 
ok. good to know.

BUT I dont have 2.0, in fact I dont even know what i have. Mine says version 7.0. It came part of a education bundle so I"m guessing that it's like 1.0 or something. So my question was, can you edit HD with 1.0? or even 1.5?
 
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PPRO 1.5.1 or 2.0 can only edit footage from the HVX in tape mode. P2 mode is NOT supported. Anything you shoot in P2 mode needs to be dubbed to tape for downconversion and format conversion (including DVCPRO25).

The only other alternative requires conversion of DVCPRO50 from P2 to avi using special DOS (yes DOS) based software.
 
The Raylight Codec (http://dvfilm.com/raylight) has a helper
application RayMaker that converts MXF files into AVIs. RayMaker is technically
a Win32 console application. That means it runs on Win XP or Win2000 and it
does not have a graphical user interface.

It's very simple and easy to use, you just drop it into the folder with the
MXF files and double-click on it to run.

Then you edit in Premiere in Video for Windows mode, just like you
would with any AVI file.
 
mvb said:
The Raylight Codec (http://dvfilm.com/raylight) has a helper
application RayMaker that converts MXF files into AVIs. RayMaker is technically
a Win32 console application. That means it runs on Win XP or Win2000 and it
does not have a graphical user interface.

It's very simple and easy to use, you just drop it into the folder with the
MXF files and double-click on it to run.

Then you edit in Premiere in Video for Windows mode, just like you
would with any AVI file.
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Raylight is fine as long as you do NOT want to shoot HI-DEF. Raylight is only good for upto DVCPRO50. It will not handle 720 or 1080 modes.
 
I find it hard to believe there is no solution for a PC based HD workflow using premiere pro?

are we waiting for codecs?
 
SoundMaster said:
Raylight is fine as long as you do NOT want to shoot HI-DEF. Raylight is only good for upto DVCPRO50. It will not handle 720 or 1080 modes.
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Sorry that's just flat wrong

Raylight supports DVCPROHD 1080 and 720
 
Yes 1080 and 720 at INCREDIBLY slow rendering speeds. Playback on the timeline is fine until you apply a color correction - then render that - SLOW like 1 fps.
 
soarprod...

do you have a solution?

beggers cant be choosers here, I see you saying that its SLOW....but not suggesting anything better? or anything at all.
 
I am a die hard PPro user (since premiere 4.2). I would love a workable solution for it. In my opinion, you either go FCP or Edius Broadcast for the best solutions. Alternate for Raylight is if you have Aspect HD from Cineform, you convert from raylight to Cineform using Canopus Procoder (but this is still slow and you are losing a recompression generation). Cineform is working on a solution for us HVX users but who knows how long that might take.

In terms of FCP vs. Edius, I think FCP has a big advantage. The Edius interface seems clunky and a little too old school. It would probably limit the creativity that I have with PPro and even AVID. Edius is only $1K and the Mac setup is around $3300. FCP is pretty mature and I may go to the dark side (ThinkExpensive).

There are going to be some reviews of Edius soon and I would check back here for those. Also, you can download the demo for Edius from canopus.com
 
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dont make me go to the MAC.

also look at the cost you just mentioned there.....It might have to be a 1fps render until something better comes up. :(

Adobe need to take a long hard look at the name they gave their product Premiere PRO and get with the times. those hippies.

all my life learning premiere they make pro and everyone is like "oh, yeah actually it's not bad...hang on....wait, wait, what's that over there?? oh look HD is coming"

and then premiere is stood there like *all those friends right within my grasp*

so he gets like a page on myspace and tries to HD it up a bit, maybe puts on some black eye liner and gets his penis out...

but to no avail,

MACs and FCP finally won the day.

or did they??

to be continued......
 
I have PPRO 2.0 now and with my specs.. ( see 1st post ) it does ok.. a little jittery at times. I downloaded the trial for aspect HD with plans to buy it, but for the amount of stuff that I would use outof the program.. it's not worth the 500 bucks to me. Some others yes, but I really dont do anything 24p and encore doens't accept an avi with teh cineform codec to author a DVD. The stuff does play a little faster and all there included stuff does happen in realtime withno rendering, but it's all stuff I would rarely use if ever. Like I would use the cross dissolve if anything, but not the star wars style transitions.

Like everyone knows, most people right now wouldn't need anything in HD anyway, only like 5 channels broadcast in HD now cuz of the cost, so I just have to downconvert anyway. Basically I'm thinking that Aspect HD isn't for me. Glad I downloaded the trial before just running out and buying it. Im mean it does what it does well, but I just dont have a use for all the features so I dont' think I will be buying it.

also, when people downconvert 'in camera' , what are they doing? are they just switching the camera to DV mode and then capturing to a NTSC 720 x 480 thing? or..?
 
Dont do DV mode, do DV50/DVCpro50 because you get a lot more color information. I bought the mac because I didnt want to have to wait for a solution that would end up being like $1K
 
Man, unless you downres to 720 x 480... render times are insane! If you do any sort of Magic bullet work, man.... plan on days or weeks out of your time for any real project. I had a aprox 50 sec sequence in PPRO 2.0 with soem magic bullet adjustments ( not a preset , just my own stuff ) and say you wanted to create a WMV HD clip of that... it was going to take a minimum of 8 hours to render on a 2 pass encode. geez...

If you wanted to encode a hour long thing iwth magic bullet at 1440 x 1080 as a WMV, i figured it out, I would have to have my computer rendering 24 hours a day for 10 days straight. That's nuts! almost a week and a half for a hour long video. And that goes for anything really. I did some magic bullet stuff on a 20 sec clip and tried to doa render on the timeline. 4 hours! just for the 20 sec clip. WTF That's just totally unacceptable. So HDV is workable if your only exporting raw footage, but anytyhing else I just have to forget about.

my computer is :

3.0gHz P4
2.5 gb ram

ASpect HD doesn't do anything for rendering other than playing back clips raw and/or using basic effects like transitions and stuff like that. I guess I'm only going to be shooting in DV mode from now on.
 
SoundMaster said:
PPRO 1.5.1 or 2.0 can only edit footage from the HVX in tape mode. P2 mode is NOT supported. Anything you shoot in P2 mode needs to be dubbed to tape for downconversion and format conversion (including DVCPRO25).

The only other alternative requires conversion of DVCPRO50 from P2 to avi using special DOS (yes DOS) based software.
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Does this mean PPRO can capture stream HD footage from the HVX through firewire?

I'm still waiting for my P2 card... and the wait is killing me.
 
It only LOOKS like it supports HD. A 30sec 720P clip converted using Raylight came out to 1min. THAT IS BAD CODE!!!!

Even Panasonics P2 viewer only does DVCPRO50!!!!!
 
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