AF100 pics

Really? Haven't kept up with the updates then, last time I looked at it it was 160mpbs. So nearly 300mbps...

Is it still 8-bit only, or does it support 10 now?
 
dmpsk8 said:
Is that an electronic adapter for Nikon glass in one of the pics?
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Uhhhh, I didn't notice, I was distracted by the PL mount adaptor and Cine lenses on the left. Wow.

Now of course this camera is not going to be perfect, but it will damn sure do the job until perfect gets here! (I hope!!).

Come on Panasonic.... do us right!.
 
Barry_Green said:
Have you ever used AVCCAM?
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I have. HMC-150 several times. I don't know what it is but the images seem "thin" to me. Hard way to describe it. I'm just not fond of the images I've seen and worked with that come off these AVC cameras. Same thing with XDCAM. I'm cutting a project right now that is mostly HVX and lots of EX1 b roll and the difference is staggering. It may be slighty sharper in some ways when compared to HVX/HPX but to me even DVCPROHD produces a "healthier" image. Just not a fan of these compressed codecs. And I'm not comparing AVCCAM to XDCAM, but I do place them in the same category.

I'm waiting for the big brother P2 version. That or Scarlet, whatever gets here first.
 
Barry_Green said:
But people who are ragging on AVCCAM, I don't quite understand it. It looks pretty good. The HMC40 turns out images that are way nicer than they should be, considering the price, and it's definitely better than XDCAM-EX. No, it's not AVC-Intra, but it's better than XDCAM-EX and about 5x better than HDV, and it's recording on cheap SD cards, so -- what exactly is the problem?
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And you are not ragging on XDCAM EX codec? I find your opinion biased.
 
robertrogoz said:
And you are not ragging on XDCAM EX codec? I find your opinion biased.
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Well, I can see what he means. XDCAM EX is 35 Mbps MPEG-2, while AVCCAM on the HMC40 is what, 28 Mbps H.264 basically? So I'd say the codec of the HMC40 contains at least 1.5 times as much information as the XDCAM EX-codec. (H.264 is supposedly twice as efficient as MPEG-2)
 
I just see going from shooting DVCPROHD to something like AVCCAM or XDCAM a step backwards. Or shooting in a format that has more in common with delivery rather than acquisition.
 
hfarberg said:
Well, I can see what he means. XDCAM EX is 35 Mbps MPEG-2, while AVCCAM on the HMC40 is what, 28 Mbps H.264 basically? So I'd say the codec of the HMC40 contains at least 1.5 times as much information as the XDCAM EX-codec. (H.264 is supposedly twice as efficient as MPEG-2)
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well robertrogoz IS an expert in..... :undecided
 
I've had the exact opposite opinion. I owned an HVX and also the 150 and just ended up selling the HVX cause to my eye, and my clients, it looked virtually the same... and under a lot of situations it looked a lot better. The codec I find is robust enough to do CC and I've been more than happy with the 150. The only advantage I'd give the HVX was in the ability to do greenscreen.... other than that, I' super happy with the 150 and so is my bank account. I think the AF100 will be my next choice of camera... unless the Red people pull a rabit out of a hat.
 
Barry_Green said:
Really? Haven't kept up with the updates then, last time I looked at it it was 160mpbs. So nearly 300mbps...

Is it still 8-bit only, or does it support 10 now?
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Still 8-bit only. Unfortunate really, given that two other intraframe codecs, AVC Intra and Apple ProRes, can do 10-bit at data rates lower than 280 Mbps.
 
Tzedekh said:
Still 8-bit only. Unfortunate really, given that two other intraframe codecs, AVC Intra and Apple ProRes, can do 10-bit at data rates lower than 280 Mbps.
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8-bit, but far more portable and convenient than other solutions, such as the Ki-pro. I can actually put the nano in a fanny pack and forget about it in a run-and-gun situation. Don't have to weigh down the camera at all, or be tethered to a capture station.

If the AF100 actually outputs 10-bit SDI, rather than padded 8-bit which most of the other cameras do, then turning your nose up a bit at a product like the nano (which I use all the time) might be slightly justified.

IMO, highly compressed codecs are the real acquisition buzzkill, not merely 8-bit video.
 
I would go along with what Elton's saying. I think I'd rather have 8-bit 4:2:2 than 10-bit 4:2:0, and I'd rather have big-bandwidth intraframe (or big-bitrate long-GoP) than hyper-compressed long-GoP. If the AF100 outputs 8-bit, then a Nano might be the perfect companion for those who need higher-quality footage (280mbps!) If it outputs 10-bit, then you'd probably want to look towards an HPG20 or something like that.
 
10-bit 4:2:0...lol, now THAT would be a funny colorspace. ;-)

Deeper shading of low res color. Dig it.

FWIW, anything beyond 100mbs long-GOP with the Nano is pretty much overkill. I've had maybe one occasion where I switched up to a higher rate (140 mbs) out of concern for the picture (shooting in a blizzard) and of course it turned out to be unnecessary. The great thing about the device is it's super easy to up the bit rate on-the-fly for a challenging scenario. It's what VBR really ought to be--left up to the user before a shot rolls.

Can the HPG20 be triggered by timecode to record? That would be a big plus for the single shooter.
 
I know it can sense a "record" signal on the SDI stream; I don't know if it detects running timecode as a reason to go into record.
 
Justyn said:
I've had the exact opposite opinion. I owned an HVX and also the 150 and just ended up selling the HVX cause to my eye, and my clients, it looked virtually the same... and under a lot of situations it looked a lot better. The codec I find is robust enough to do CC and I've been more than happy with the 150. The only advantage I'd give the HVX was in the ability to do greenscreen.... other than that, I' super happy with the 150 and so is my bank account. I think the AF100 will be my next choice of camera... unless the Red people pull a rabit out of a hat.
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I have shot 4 docs with 150 and working on another one. Other than telephoto weakness, the camera is awesome. It does match up very nicely with HVX
 
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